Aussie Falcon V8 fuel pump for M60 engine

[shogun]

Might be of interest for the Aussies which pay a lot for OEM pumps. In this case it is an E32 740 with M60B40 engine. Here copied the info from Bimmerboard:

"What a difference a new fuel pump makes
The "Beast" died yesterday, usual place, centre of a major intersection, peak hour traffic, great. Towed home, established the pump was not working, now was it not working coz it died, or lost it's signal from the "brain"????????

This stems to my ask recently about the "magic reset", coz every now and then I was getting a slight stumble as I took off from the lights. Then it went away, then this. I really should have picked it, as all my Jags (V12's mainly) have done this just before the pump died, but they are external pumps and easy to "whack" and hear running, or not. The BMW is not so friendly, oh well.

Anyway, I was not paying $400+ for a BMW pump, even aftermarket, and none in SA anyway, so a universal in tank pump was "made" to fit, easy really, and damn the car runs "sweet". I thought it was a sweet V8 before, but this is SWEET. It was the original pump dated 10/1993, so it is fair enough. I might still do that reset one of these days mmmm."

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I asked him for details, here the answer:

"OK, here goes.

Used a Goss GE017, which is listed for our Aussie Falcon V8, and as a "universal", and that word is open to interpretation I believe.

Specs are:

51mm diam, internal HP fuel pump.
2.25lpm @ 200kpa drawing 4.5amps. This is I believe a standard lpm @ kpa indicator.
Open pressure 650kpa drawing 7.5amps.

It took a little thinking to secure the pump in the plastic cradle, but a simple hose clamp did the trick, and made it easy to set the depth (I measured that before taking it apart). The sock took some jiggling to sit in the bowl without crimping, but once the angles were sorted it worked fine, a bit of push and shove does wonders.

The pressure side did not come into my equation, coz that is taken care of by the pressure regulator, I think, with the excess returned to the tank, at least it does on the Jags, not really much different to any EFI car, and at 650kpa there is plenty of reserve, and our Aussie Falcon V8 uses heaps more fuel than my V8 ever will.

My fuel pressure gauge has a leaking braided hose, so next time I go to town I will get a new hose and report back the actual goings on with my engine.

It took a few minutes to settle to a decent idle, but maybe the ECU needed to get it's head around the increased fuel available????. The old pump is real sick, worse than any I have seen in 40+ years. "

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Hope that helps some of you in Australia

[GJPinAU]

Thanks Shogun, this will undoubtably become useful some time in the future.

[shogun]

just checked, the spec is
GOSS FUEL PUMP KIT FOR EA, EB, ED, EF, EL 3.9LT & 4.0LT FALCON & NC NF NL FAIRLANE 5.0LT
PART CODE GE017
Comes with everything needed, instructions new pickup striner / filter and seal. RRP $160
Winning bid: AU $56.01

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FORD FALCON EA-EL SEDAN/WAGON ELECTRIC FUEL PUMP Part no. GE017, SUITS
Ford Falcon EA GL 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/02/1988 - 01/11/1989
Ford Falcon EA GL 4D Wagon YEAR: 01/02/1988 - 01/11/1989
Ford Falcon EB GL 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/07/1991 - 01/04/1992
Ford Falcon EB GL 4D Wagon YEAR: 01/07/1991 - 01/04/1992
Ford Falcon ED Futura 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/08/1993 - 01/08/1994
Ford Falcon ED Futura Classic 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/10/1993 - 01/08/1994
Ford Falcon EF Futura 4D Sedan YEAR: 26/08/1994 - 26/09/1996
Ford Falcon EF Futura Classic 4D Sedan YEAR: 10/10/1995 - 26/09/1996
Ford Falcon EF GLI 4D Sedan YEAR: 26/08/1994 - 26/09/1996
Ford Falcon EF GLI Classic 4D Sedan YEAR: 10/10/1995 - 26/09/1996
Ford Falcon EL Futura 4D Sedan YEAR: 26/09/1996 - 03/09/1998

buy now price: AU $89.00 Seller: ultracheapauto
http://stores.shop.ebay.com.au/Ultra...__W0QQ_armrsZ1

They officially offer it for the 3 series
BMW SERIES 3 (SEDAN, COUPE, CONVERTIBLE) ELECTRIC FUEL PUMP Part no. GE017
SUITS
BMW car auto PARTS 318i 320i 323i 325i 328 FUEL PUMP.
SAVE BIG MONEY ON BMW ELECTRIC FUEL PUMPS
BMW 318i E36 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/05/1991 - 14/08/1998
BMW 318i E36 Executive 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/07/1997 - 14/08/1998
BMW 318i E36 Limited 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/05/1996 - 01/07/1997
BMW 318i E36 Signature Edition 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/03/1995 - 01/05/1996
BMW 320i E36 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/05/1991 - 01/01/1996
BMW 323i E36 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/01/1996 - 14/08/1998
BMW 323i E36 Executive 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/01/1997- 14/08/1998
BMW 323i E46 4D Sedan YEAR: 14/08/1998 - 04/10/2000
BMW 325Ci E46 2D Coupe YEAR: 16/11/2000 - 31/12/9999
BMW 325i E36 2D Convertible YEAR: 01/12/1993 - 01/06/1995
BMW 325i E36 2D Coupe YEAR: 01/05/1992 - 01/06/1995
BMW 325i E36 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/05/1991 - 01/06/1995
BMW 328i E36 2D Convertible YEAR: 01/06/1995 - 01/01/1997
BMW 328i E36 2D Coupe YEAR: 01/06/1993 - 01/01/1997
BMW 328i E36 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/06/1995 - 01/01/1997
BMW 328i E36 Executive 2D Convertible YEAR: 01/01/1997 - 13/09/2000
BMW 328i E36 Executive 2D Coupe YEAR: 01/01/1997 - 18/06/1999
BMW 328i E36 Executive 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/01/1997 - 14/08/1998
BMW 328i E36 High-Line 2D Convertible YEAR: 01/01/1997 - 13/09/2000
BMW 328i E36 High-Line 2D Coupe YEAR: 01/01/1997 - 18/06/1999
BMW 328i E36 High-Line 4D Sedan YEAR: 01/01/1997 - 14/08/1998
BMW 328i E46 4D Sedan YEAR: 14/08/1998 - 13/09/2000

89 Australian Dollar = 69.51 US Dollar = 49.65 EURO

that is a deal!

[ArnZ!]

could i use one of these for my 535i?

[shogun]

The M30 fuel pump is originally Bosch 0580464995
operating pressure is 3 bar
conveying capcity at 12 V 1.9 liter/minute
conveying capacity against counterpressure 875 ccm/30 seconds
Power consumption is 5A

I assume if the V8 engine runs without problem, which actually needs 3.5 bar pressure , there should be no problem. Capacitywise, because the excess goes back to the fuel pump anyway controlled by the fuel pressure regulator.
Now you have to check what are the differences in size, iif it fits direct or you have to fiddle.
Best (cheapest) is you get a defective Goss and check it out by dimensions.
Or you can get the details such as dimensions and performance data. Should be available from Goss in Australia.

Uropal from Korea is using in his E32 730 M30B30 a Hyundai pump for the same reasons.He you can see how he fixed it.
http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/500482/

[shogun]

here, E32 735, Ford Scorpio BMW 5 Series Fuel Pump 3 Bar AU $67.99
from Shanghai, so made in China
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ford-Scorpio-...3A1%7C294%3A50

[shogun]

anyone tried TrePerformance pumps?
http://treperformance.com/i-656-bmw-...nd-models.html
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unquote
40 psi = 2.758 bar, that is a bit lower than the Bosch pump specification of 3 bar for the M30 and M70 and 3.5 bar for the M60.

M70 pumps/each:
operating pressure: 3 bar
conveying capacity at 12 V: 1.7 litre per minute=102/60 minutes

conveying capacity under counter pressure: 875 ccm/30 seconds
==105 liters/60 minutes/1 hour
power consumption: 5.5 Amp.

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If that is really fact under normal running conditions, then the capacity of the Treperformance pump would be almost double of the Bosch spec.
Can a fuel pressure regulator handle such big difference?
Can the return line to the tank handle such difference?

These are questions stills to be answered