what do you answer to people saying rear propulsion cars suck

[ArnZ!]

in a BMW context

FWD owners are jealous because they know FWD is for the feeble

[xspeedy]

I'm trying to visualize throttle steering.. is that it ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNIWqz6ffms

a good page explaining why FWD is better on the snow if you brake and apply throttle in a snowy curve

http://www.fire.com/biz/snwvlly/fwd.html

I guess the video is an extreme example. I just call that donuts. Throttle steering is the ability to rotate the car (or point the nose) with throttle oversteer. Throttle modulation can be used to balance the attitude of the vehicle during cornering.

I'm not following the logic of the info via the second link provided.

[632 Regal]

bring the FWD drivers and rear wheelers into my driveway and we can make an objective review of who is stuck forever vs those few RWD folks that can maneuver a sharp turn at speed without claiming big rocks on the opposite side. I do it every day, mail chick with 4wd saturn spinnin no posi POS burned up my grass like a bubble float with no conscience, this place hires the most stupid people and it takes stupidity to qualify for the top paying jobs... WTF?

FWD owners are jealous because they know FWD is for the feeble

[Morgenster]

Here's an answer but it's long. Just memorize the 5 main points.

http://www.slate.com/id/2081194/

[Mordan]

Here's an answer but it's long. Just memorize the 5 main points.

http://www.slate.com/id/2081194/

very good one. thx! It also talks about the braking in FWD cars which I read about in one of my above links.

now I have the arguments I wanted for the future

I wanted to see if i get it.. with a RWD in snowy condition isn't it better to drive with a tank full and a boot loaded in order to increase weight and traction on the rear wheels?

[Morgenster]

very good one. thx! It also talks about the braking in FWD cars which I read about in one of my above links.

now I have the arguments I wanted for the future

I wanted to see if i get it.. with a RWD in snowy condition isn't it better to drive with a tank full and a boot loaded in order to increase weight and traction on the rear wheels?

Very common trick and indeed useful but don't get carried away. 100+kgs in the boot is enough. My driving instructor years ago even recommended placing two cement bags in the boot. I never needed to do this since I already had a bigass LPG tank in the boot.
Besides: in the snow without winter tires any car is going to have trouble.
In essence RWD cars are better when it comes to handling and, if you know how to drive them, even safety, but if you're unwilling to get the hang of it a FWD car may be better for you.

edit: I also remember seeing a youtube video of a handling comparison between an alfa romeo (FWD), a quattro audi A4 (4WD) and an e46 325i (RWD). Their conclusion was that the 4WD and RWD were equally safe and safer than FWD in more complex manoevers. They set up some cardboard pedestrians behind a curve so they were invisible to the driver up until the curve's exit. The Alfa made some casualties there.

[RallyD]

what are the specs of your snow tires for the 5er?

conti winter contact 205/60/15 on bottlecap wheels

[NielsGalan]

I saw a BMW ad once that read:

"If you want front wheel drive, just put it in reverse."

That should shut anyone up :-)

[DaveVoorhis]

[healtoeit]

Yea that pic explains it all too well... lol