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[yaofeng]

And I am completely comfortable with absolutely no restrictions on firearms at all, except felons convicted of a violent offense, and mentally retarded/unstable individuals.

1) Why do you have something with you when you never have to use it?

Lemme ask you something... do you carry your driver's license with you everyday? you don't really need it to drive (the car still starts steers and stops). You don't even need it when you are NOT driving a car motor vehicle, even if stopped by police, but I bet you carry it anyway.

I carry my drivers' license because it is mandated by law when I drive.

[Guapo]

Exactly! What good is carrying a hand gun if you never have to use it? ... I am completely comfortable on having the right to possess firarms but making it a BIG hurdle to carry. But whether there is a big hurdle or no hurdle is not the point. Why do you want to carry something with you day in and day out when you do not use it at all?

Do you have insurance?

If we were to start on a clean slate. I am completely comfortable with a total ban on hand guns and assault weapons with stipulations of making the hurdle of possession any type of firearms very high.

Why? Because you're afraid of them? Because you think that will keep them out of the hands of criminals? Criminals are the ones breaking the laws, so what makes you think they'd obey gun control laws?

Personally I do not own firearms of any type. And I do not intend to. But I also recognize one of the many factors contributing to the safety of my neighborhod is the fact the so called bad guys do not know if I own firearms in my household so it acts as a deterrent.

Yet you want to make it next to impossible to leagally own firearms. Guess what? If the criminals know the law abiding citizens don't have guns, there is no deterrent. See how that works?

My arguement is on the practical side. 1) Why do you have something with you when you never have to use it?

Again, do you have insurance?

2) If and when my community becomes a scene like a western movie, it is time for me to move out. I refuse to live in a place where there is a state of siege. Openly carrying weapons may not be indicative of a state of siege to you. It is to me.

You are overblowing things by referring to a "western movie". I am willing to bet that in places where concealed carry is legal, more people are armed than you would ever believe. There is a reason it is called "concealed". It isn't about bravado. A place where concealed carry is legal is somewhere I see as extremely safe for me and my family, as the people to be afraid of (criminals) would think hard about plying their trade there, since they don't know if the guy (or gal) they hit will shoot them in the face. Better to go somewhere the local government has conveniently taken away the defenses for them.

Do I own firearms? Yes. Why? Because if someone breaks into my home, I want to be able to defend my family with more than saying "pretty please" to the criminal. Do I think that it will ever happen? No, and I pray it doesn't. One's right to posess a firearm isn't about convenience. It's about the RIGHT to defend one's self if one feels the need to do so. Why do so many women carry mace or pepper spray? Same reason, different tools. Denying that right of self preservation goes against what the first amendment is all about, and I am thankful that the SCOTUS overturned the DC ban.

[yaofeng]

Do you have insurance?



Why? Because you're afraid of them? Because you think that will keep them out of the hands of criminals? Criminals are the ones breaking the laws, so what makes you think they'd obey gun control laws?



Yet you want to make it next to impossible to leagally own firearms. Guess what? If the criminals know the law abiding citizens don't have guns, there is no deterrent. See how that works?



Again, do you have insurance?



You are overblowing things by referring to a "western movie". I am willing to bet that in places where concealed carry is legal, more people are armed than you would ever believe. There is a reason it is called "concealed". It isn't about bravado. A place where concealed carry is legal is somewhere I see as extremely safe for me and my family, as the people to be afraid of (criminals) would think hard about plying their trade there, since they don't know if the guy (or gal) they hit will shoot them in the face. Better to go somewhere the local government has conveniently taken away the defenses for them.

Do I own firearms? Yes. Why? Because if someone breaks into my home, I want to be able to defend my family with more than saying "pretty please" to the criminal. Do I think that it will ever happen? No, and I pray it doesn't. One's right to posess a firearm isn't about convenience. It's about the RIGHT to defend one's self if one feels the need to do so. Why do so many women carry mace or pepper spray? Same reason, different tools. Denying that right of self preservation goes against what the first amendment is all about, and I am thankful that the SCOTUS overturned the DC ban.

I have no beef against your right or anyone else's right to possess firearms. It is in the constitution. You can choose to carry a weapon too, open or concealed doesn't matter. I have no qualms with that, whether you are breaking the law or not is beside the point. Now be honest with me and everyone else. How many time out of 365 days in a year do you need to use the weapon you carry. Do you not get tired of it carrying something you never use? Do you not prefer to have a cell phone which is of much more use to you than a handgun?

If your answer is you need a weapon to protect yourself against the crooks. I am sorry. You live in the wrong neighborhood. You should move to one where you do not need a weapon to protect yourself. That is all I am saying.

I say again. I have no problem with anyone having firearms in his own house. It is his right. But there is something wrong if people need to carry a weapon in his pocket all the time (even though it may still be his right) to maintain civility or order. It is not a community I want to live and raise my children. Where I live I do not need handguns to maintain civility among people.

[Guapo]

If your answer is you need a weapon to protect yourself against the crooks. I am sorry. You live in the wrong neighborhood. You should move to one where you do not need a weapon to protect yourself. That is all I am saying.

But there is something wrong if people need to carry a weapon in his pocket all the time (even though it may still be his right) to maintain civility or order. It is not a community I want to live and raise my children.

Crime and assault can happen anywhere. You are naive if you think otherwise. If wishes were fishes, there would be no bad men. Do you think it is wrong for a woman to carry pepper spray on her key chain? In your little utopia, how would you feel if your wife got abducted from the grocery store parking lot and she had no way to defend herself because you didn't think it necessary to carry a weapon? If you don't think it can happen anywhere, think again.

This occurred in one of the most affluent parts of Dallas:
http://www.nbc5i.com/news/16315998/detail.html

Where I live I do not need handguns to maintain civility among people.

It isn't about civility among people. It is about defending yourself against the small percentage of a low-life who may wish to do you or your loved ones harm. All it takes is once.

BTW, I do carry a cel phone. I use it to talk on occasion, but I think is silly to carry around a phone all day that can do my taxes.

[attack eagle]

I have no beef against your right or anyone else's right to possess firearms. It is in the constitution. You can choose to carry a weapon too, open or concealed doesn't matter. I have no qualms with that, whether you are breaking the law or not is beside the point. Now be honest with me and everyone else. How many time out of 365 days in a year do you need to use the weapon you carry. Do you not get tired of it carrying something you never use? Do you not prefer to have a cell phone which is of much more use to you than a handgun?

If your answer is you need a weapon to protect yourself against the crooks. I am sorry. You live in the wrong neighborhood. You should move to one where you do not need a weapon to protect yourself. That is all I am saying.

I say again. I have no problem with anyone having firearms in his own house. It is his right. But there is something wrong if people need to carry a weapon in his pocket all the time (even though it may still be his right) to maintain civility or order. It is not a community I want to live and raise my children. Where I live I do not need handguns to maintain civility among people.

You equate civility to safety. Civility results from UNSAFETY. you really should read some heinlein.
A cell phone is USELESS if you are the victim of a crime. You, as you yourself have stated, are only safe because OTHERS might be carrying. Yet you would deny them that right. The day they ban handguns is the day I carry a shotgun...


How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your spare tire?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your AAA?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your auto insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your health insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your home insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your flood insurance?

How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your LIFE insurance?


So why have any of them??? You could sae a lot of money after all.
Answer my question honestly and I think you will answer your own...


My father has only needed to use his weapon ONCE... and he didn't even need to fire it or show it. All the guy needed to hear was the action cycling and he went back out of the house... fast. Now this guy was half way down the hall way, headed straight for the master bedroom... not looting the living room or dining room or bathroom or trying to get the guns from the den... And he knew we were all at home...

So you tell me... what good did a phone do when the police took 20+ minutes to arrive?

What good is a phone except to report a crime HAS ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED? Phones do not STOP criminals. It is not the job of the police to prevent or stop crime, nor to protect you personally. That is (under our governmental system) your duty.

[yaofeng]

But you father was not carrying his weapon 24/7 365 days out of the year. Or did he? What about you? Do you sleep with your Saturday night special or your gluck?

And you are still missing my point of the cell phone.

[Guapo]

Just for you yaofeng. Display it proudly in front of your house -

[Jehu]

Just for you yaofeng. Display it proudly in front of your house -

Chilling http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.co...tist/id14.html

[attack eagle]

But you father was not carrying his weapon 24/7 365 days out of the year. Or did he? What about you? Do you sleep with your Saturday night special or your gluck?

And you are still missing my point of the cell phone.

then what is the point of your cell phone for personal protection?

I might or might not keep a loaded weapon readily at hand. I would not suggest breaking in to find out.
Texas castle law: any intruder may be shot and killed on sight, with out requiring a verbal warning or backing away or other disengagement by the homeowner.

you have not answered my questions

How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your spare tire?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your AAA?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your auto insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your health insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your home insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your flood insurance?

How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your LIFE insurance?

[yaofeng]

then what is the point of your cell phone for personal protection?

I might or might not keep a loaded weapon readily at hand. I would not suggest breaking in to find out.
Texas castle law: any intruder may be shot and killed on sight, with out requiring a verbal warning or backing away or other disengagement by the homeowner.

you have not answered my questions

How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your spare tire?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your AAA?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your auto insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your health insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your home insurance?
How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your flood insurance?

How many times out of 365 days a year do you use your LIFE insurance?

It is like arguing with a five year old. Is that how old you are? How many times do I have to tell you the cell phone example I cited is not for self protection? If you have not read from my post that I am not against gun control you have a reading comprehension problem. Okay. Let me say this, "I am not against gun control". Do you now understand my position?

Your father has a gun in the house. That's fine. Actually, it is people like him who contributed to safety in the neighborhood.

What I am opposed is people carrying weapons on them going about their daily lives. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?