Fitting a turbo - big job?

[e34.535i.sport]

I think a chip would be a good investment because if he ever does move to FI he can surely sell it - but I don't think a person can rationally sit thinking "Hmmm... turbo... or chip." I think the fact that he easily fell back on the chip means he doesn't full understand what he was contemplating to begin with!

Jon - I can see you are very knowledgable in this area, but if I knew what was involved in fitting a turbo to my car or the price of this job i would not of posted a thread (as i would have known the answer)- so i dont really see the value in you saying i didn't understand what i was contemplating- as this is obvious, hence me posting the thread!?

I am looking for more speed from my car, but i dont (unfortunately!) have £1000's lying around for such a job or the know-how; however i would love a turbo as i have seen what they can do! I know its much more than a chip but some extra power is better than none do you see my point? I hope this clears things up for you?

For future reference i post threads to obtain information, not to ask a question to which i know the answer - this would be pointless. However I do appreciate the facts you have included in responses to my threads, so thanks for that. I dont appreciate your assumptions and condescending words however, so please dont reduce yourself to this level. I dont meant to be rude here, just getting things straight.

Thanks.

[Jon K]

Jon - I can see you are very knowledgable in this area, but if I knew what was involved in fitting a turbo to my car or the price of this job i would not of posted a thread (as i would have known the answer)- so i dont really see the value in you saying i didn't understand what i was contemplating- as this is obvious, hence me posting the thread!?

I am looking for more speed from my car, but i dont (unfortunately!) have £1000's lying around for such a job or the know-how; however i would love a turbo as i have seen what they can do! I know its much more than a chip but some extra power is better than none do you see my point? I hope this clears things up for you?

For future reference i post threads to obtain information, not to ask a question to which i know the answer - this would be pointless. However I do appreciate the facts you have included in responses to my threads, so thanks for that. I dont appreciate your assumptions and condescending words however, so please dont reduce yourself to this level. I dont meant to be rude here, just getting things straight.

Thanks.

I hope you didn't interpret my accusation of not understanding as me saying "you don't understand, why are you asking." What I meant was - if I took you out in my turbo 525 and then in a 535 chipped... there would be NO question in your mind which setup you want. My bad for coming off blunt - i merely meant that because you haven't been in a turbo car, you haven't the understand of how night and day the pondering between chip vs turbo is. Not to say chips are not worth it -- people who are content with a 540 would be oh so content with a 540 chipped. Likewise with a 535. Every person is different. I am not addicted to power or boost, but I like to see whats out there...


ok i lied im addicted to power and boost!


Sorry for coming off wrong.

[e34.535i.sport]

I hope you didn't interpret my accusation of not understanding as me saying "you don't understand, why are you asking." What I meant was - if I took you out in my turbo 525 and then in a 535 chipped... there would be NO question in your mind which setup you want. My bad for coming off blunt - i merely meant that because you haven't been in a turbo car, you haven't the understand of how night and day the pondering between chip vs turbo is. Not to say chips are not worth it -- people who are content with a 540 would be oh so content with a 540 chipped. Likewise with a 535. Every person is different. I am not addicted to power or boost, but I like to see whats out there...


ok i lied im addicted to power and boost!


Sorry for coming off wrong.

I can see where your coming from there, very hard to understand what people mean when reading text rather than listening to them! Apologies if i was a bit quick off the mark there. Its late.

So i'm guessing you have turbocharged your car yourself? I just replied to you via my other thread - so i wont ask anymore questions as it might get a bit confusing! Actually, just out of interest, what 0-60mph time would your 525i turbo have? (Or 0-100km/ph in american terms?).

[Jon K]

I can see where your coming from there, very hard to understand what people mean when reading text rather than listening to them! Apologies if i was a bit quick off the mark there. Its late.

So i'm guessing you have turbocharged your car yourself? I just replied to you via my other thread - so i wont ask anymore questions as it might get a bit confusing! Actually, just out of interest, what 0-60mph time would your 525i turbo have? (Or 0-100km/ph in american terms?).

Not entirely sure what the 0-60 time is. Yeah its turbocharged. I use a very large turbo off of a 7L diesel engine for max peak (eventually) horsepower. I am not one for "off the line" performance. I am more of the "let me get into 3rd gear at 4500 rpm and blow your freaking doors off" type person. Basically, right now I am prob at 300 whp. At the end of summer when I swap my new engine in, I am hoping for 550+ whp figures.

[beetos]

The only thing that fits without massive modification is the 745i turbo setup, but you still need oil bits and all. A kit for the car starts probably around $6k not installed. Installation on something like that is like $1000 - $1500. I wouldn't say its a "big deal" but its not an oil change for someone who has never done it. You have to tap the oil pan for oil return, tap the sensor feed for oil feed, fit and intercooler, etc.

I've custom built a supercharger setup which is now replaced with a custom built turbocharger setup. It's not impossible, but you have to know what's going on.

I would agree that a 745i set up would be relatively easy if you are LHD. BMW never had a RHD version of a blown M30 (745i). They had a 745i in South Africa but it used the M88 twincam engine in it instead of a turbo M30 (M102 or whatever it is). Steering box and shaft gets in the way for RHD.

Custom manifold route is not much easier for RHD as its hard to get clearance with the steering box and locate the wastegate, especially if you are keeping A/C. I have a custom RHD top mount manifold on mine and I have to have the motor shimmed up to clear the steering box. The wastegate hangs a bit low for my liking also. My solution is probably not the most elegantI have seen some very nice M30 RHD manifold concepts from 666fabrication. I think they have an off the shelf solution now, looks like real quality stuff. Recommend you re-tap all exhaust header studs to M10 if you do a turbo project and have the opportunity to work on the head.

[CharlesAFerg]

Not entirely sure what the 0-60 time is. Yeah its turbocharged. I use a very large turbo off of a 7L diesel engine for max peak (eventually) horsepower. I am not one for "off the line" performance. I am more of the "let me get into 3rd gear at 4500 rpm and blow your freaking doors off" type person. Basically, right now I am prob at 300 whp. At the end of summer when I swap my new engine in, I am hoping for 550+ whp figures.

Sorry to disrupt your civilized argument, but...

Jon, you're purchasing a new engine?

Do you have a link to a thread where you explain what your next project will be? ...or is this the first we've heard of this?
I'm interested.

[attack eagle]

He is building a second motor specifically designed for boost. (lower compression, I think stronger internals as well)

Once it is done he can swap engines and crank the boost up.

[Jon K]

Yeah sorry - I have a 2nd motor on a stand that is being rebuilt and dropped into the car.

[MarkD]

I'm going to make a sig similar to yours but it will say powered by Motronic, not MegaWiz

I tuned a supercharged e36 m50tu in a total of about 10 hours this week.


Here's a link to the thread:

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90645

MarkD

[winfred]

"P.S. I didn't need a MegaPiss"

I'm going to make a sig similar to yours but it will say powered by Motronic, not MegaWiz

I tuned a supercharged e36 m50tu in a total of about 10 hours this week.


Here's a link to the thread:

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90645

MarkD