Has anyone watched "An Inconvenient Truth"?

[danielhstout]

I didn't say that or even impy it, I was quoting a movie called "Back to the Future" hence the picture of the 'Mr.Fusion' you arrogant and mindless moron. Watch your tone with me. I took no sides, and I was obviously making a joke.
**** you, you're lucky this is the internet, making blind attacks at me like that.

I'm done with this thread, as you are assuming my political beliefs under terribly false pretences. May I remind you that you ARE in fact, making the wrong judgements about what I believe, and have alienated someone most likely of similar beliefs.

Charles, I wasn't trying to insult you... Simply combatting one sarcastic remark with another.

With a joke like that I preceived that you were making light of my stance and intentionally mocking it at the same time. It seemed that you were inferring that I was an exteremist idiot and that nothing I say has any potential weight. If that was not your intention I am sorry for using a sarcastic tone.

I take this subject very seriously and I believe that others should too. Not saying that you don't, but thats just the message I saw. Clearly a misunderstanding. In my eyes anyway. Once again, sorry, I was not trying to alienate you.

Maybe I should just stay out of this thread since I am clearly out numbered in my views. But then again someone needs to represent the opposition. Keep it coming, I can take it.

[Dave M]

Hey Jeff, may want to move your own thread. We haven't figured out that 'joking' and sarcasm aren't well interpreted by all our members.............yet

[attack eagle]

Wow, I think you should have paid more attention to my later posts before you attempted to tear my *******.

I did, that's why you now have 3 ways of passing excrement. Orally, normal and new arsehole.

Well I would have to say that Discovery is about the only channel I watch but I don't believe that the information is unbiased; most everything is biased in some way. What did you think about Ted Koppel's special on the global warming "crisis"? Total propaganda ******** too I assume.

I don't watch ratings specials. Too much politics, too much preaching by teleprompter reading talking heads who don't truly understand what they are representing themselves as de facto experts on.
When I want facts, I read research. When I want entertainment, I watch a movie. Ted Koppel is good entertainment, but I don't like him one bit.

As far as my education goes... I am still a college student (or a young dumb kid who thinks he knows it all of course). I have written three research papers on the subject for different classes. I have seen the facts and witnessed both sides of the argument. I care about this issue enough to not let other politcal figures guide me. All I am trying to get through to people is to get educated. Do the research yourself and look at both sides of the issue. After you do that you can really draw your own mature conclusions.

Well gee there sonny boy... this is what got your arse ripped. Your pathetic insistance, that because I don't believe the same thing as you or draw the same conclusions that I have not examined both sides of the issue, and Am just a person who is a political follower. As a matter of fact, you seem to include everyone who doesn't agree with you as an ignorant political follower. THAT IS IGNORANCE.
What do they teach in college today, besides remedial math, english, history, social studies, PC activism and PC "tolerance"? You really should ask for a refund if this is the best you can do after even one semester. I've draw my own mature conclusons, you disagree. Good. Get back to me after 100 years, 500 and 1000 and we will see who is right.
Researching and writing a paper is a good way of finding and organizing preexisting information. That is only step one, now you need to add information by experimentation and new discovery. Failing that you are not dealing in Hard science, only social science, or are merely an archivist.

I apologize for my initial post... it was just an emotional reaction to what I perceived as a worthless unprecedented statement.

Whatever.

Whatever indeed. An Apology implies behavioral correction. There has been none. So as people were once fond of saying before whiney crybabies decided tolerance meant not hurting feelings instead of accepting that tolerance MEANT hurt feelings... You can take your apology and shove it where the sun don't shine.

[632 Regal]

i see this and pm'd the involved to edit their threads, if it continues I will clean it myself. Good threads gone awry...

Hey Jeff, may want to move your own thread. We haven't figured out that 'joking' and sarcasm aren't well interpreted by all our members.............yet

[E34-520iSE]

Over here in England, there has been a big increase in wind tubines, which obviously is a good thing. However the downside to them is their cost and people's opposition to them, mainly rural communities who would otherwise get lumbered with a massive wind farm on an area of outstanding beauty. We need to strike some sort of balance now for this to work. Personally I would never oppose a wind turbine, and would happily have one of my own to put in the back garden, but as yet there is no government incentives to do so, even though I live on a hill and there's always a good wind blowing!

It's a world!

Cheers,

Shaun M

[Elekta]

Over here in England, there has been a big increase in wind tubines, which obviously is a good thing. However the downside to them is their cost and people's opposition to them, mainly rural communities who would otherwise get lumbered with a massive wind farm on an area of outstanding beauty. We need to strike some sort of balance now for this to work. Personally I would never oppose a wind turbine, and would happily have one of my own to put in the back garden, but as yet there is no government incentives to do so, even though I live on a hill and there's always a good wind blowing!

It's a world!

Cheers,

Shaun M

There is a good number of used wind/energy systems out there if you are really interested. You'd be surprised of the decent gear that gets tossed in favor of brand new gov't cheese funded systems. Also, if you bypass Amarillo heading to Austin from Denver, you will drive by couple thousand acres of wind farm, and they are truly majestic and peaceful pieces of collossal machinery to behold...a boon to the landscape. Frankly I'd like to see a few thousand wind towers off the coast of the vinyard, if the righteous senator would allow it. Texas not only refines the most petrol energy, they are fast becoming the largest producer of all energy sources including wind, water, and sun. We sure are a bunch of backwoods rednecks arent' we daniel?

My next $$$ investment is in PVBM...google that whydoncha?

[632 Regal]

GE has a huge contract with china to supply the newest type of high efficient generators. google that whydoncha

My next $$$ investment is in PVBM...google that whydoncha?

[Bill R.]

tax credits on your existing owed taxes which is why big oil and various light and gas companies are going to windpower even in locations that aren't optimal, credits that directly offset taxes owed on their other business dealings. The state levels are where the real incentives to small producers are. To bad solar isn't getting the same kind of incentives/credits/funding or hybrid vehicles, instead of losing their tax credits gaining more tax credits.

And the Senator isn't the one who's going to kill the windfarm off the vinyard, Its a republican rep. from Alaska who's going to kill it. With his proposal to ban windfarms within a 1.5 nautical mile range of shipping or ferry lanes. Its pretty much already a given in fact.

There is a good number of used wind/energy systems out there if you are really interested. You'd be surprised of the decent gear that gets tossed in favor of brand new gov't cheese funded systems. Also, if you bypass Amarillo heading to Austin from Denver, you will drive by couple thousand acres of wind farm, and they are truly majestic and peaceful pieces of collossal machinery to behold...a boon to the landscape. Frankly I'd like to see a few thousand wind towers off the coast of the vinyard, if the righteous senator would allow it. Texas not only refines the most petrol energy, they are fast becoming the largest producer of all energy sources including wind, water, and sun. We sure are a bunch of backwoods rednecks arent' we daniel?

My next $$$ investment is in PVBM...google that whydoncha?

[Bill R.]

bookends since State of Fear is a FICTIONAL novel written by someone who has no expertise in the field whatsoever, should stick to his Tv show ER.

Whereas Inconvenient Truth is a documentary based on the most current available science who's statements and claims are for the most part in complete agreement with 99% of the reputable climatology experts out there.

Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" movie is certainly worth seeing on DVD, as Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" novel is worth reading. These two productions are useful as sort of intellectual bookends in the environmental debate.

Keep in mind, however, that each has an ax to grind. Al Gore wants to be president, and this movie is part of the groundwork for his campaign. His references to his injured son and dead sister or maudlin attempts to garner the sympathy vote. His father, Sen. Albert Gore mineral-leased the family farm to Armand Hammer, an unsavory oil baron and Kremlin sympathizer who headed Occidental Petroleum. Both the Gores and Hammer knew there were no minerals in that farm, but rather used it as a conduit for money laundering and influence peddling. So, along with the Kennedy and Bush clans, the Gores have a checkered past that should be viewed with skepticism and circumspection.

Our environment fluctuates naturally according to various influences including (but not limited to) sunspots, solar flares, meteor showers, volcanoes, tectonic movement, space dust and gases, etc., that are completely beyond our control. Our own behavior in the form of smokestacks, cowflop, tailpipe emissions, desert and farm irrigation, overpopulation, clear cutting, etc. also has significant influence. So, we can and should be better stewards of our planet, even while recognizing that the natural environment does what it does according to its whims.

In additions to seeing Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" movie with open-minded circumspection, one should also read Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" novel, if only for its footnotes and cites. In particular, Crichton's cites of historical temperature readings taken over the past ~150 years are interesting: So-called "heat islands" such as New York City have been quite stable in temperature or actually declined over that period. How could this be, if there is in fact global warming? On the other hand, we have clear photographic and other evidence of receding glaciers and breakup of Greenland icecaps, which I have personally witnessed.

[Elekta]

AlGore's climatology forecasting and modeling are 99% speculative....that is to say as fictional as anything Michael Crichton or Dan Brown could speculate in their novels for that matter.

regarding pinning the Massachusett's wind farm failure on an Alaskan senator, I can only say how convenient