Thanks for your help again guys. Like I said in my first thread they look like a cross between t stars and the raised centre section of the m contours. I just want to know whether they are genuine BMW or not. I can't find them anywhere. I've been through realoem, numerous BMW wheel catalogues and even google. No find. The guy says they came off an E34 but being 'unmarked' I would say aftermarket. I reckon they look good but I don't want anything fake on my car. To me that's like putting Hyundai mudflaps on the old girl.