OT This happened right in my subdivision

[Gayle]

either you are a good fellow or a really big good lady, picture in yout post tells something to me- no foffence intended

If you think that is me, you are seriously literal. You probably think that car in angry pancake's sig is really his car. And you think that penis in Winfred's sig pic is Winfred's penis.

If you want to know what I really look like, go to my profile. And FYI, when I change my sig pic next time, it is going to be a horse--and that is not me either.

[genphreak]

tripe? John lott and his co author don't stand up to any scrutiny as to be expected. How convenient that he lost his data on the computer....
If you have done any research you'll see that most of his funding came from the Olin foundation, ring any bells? A little followup to some of the Lott fairlytales

And I am a gunowner and a former NRA member

Also I'm a fan of Heinlein and have read everything he's ever printed. Here's a few more quotes of his
and keep in mind that all these "quotes" were quotes of characters of his in science fiction novels

Bill he is not being serious in anything he is writing. He is goading everybody on...

I was beginning to think he was actually serious about what he stated in reply to my earlier post mentioning the subject.

Of course crime will usually go down when law permits gun ownership. Though why one needs guns within any population not actually engaged in an organised conflict is beyond me...

The reason is simple. How long does it actually take for uptake of guns to permeate weapons out to all the people wanting to carry them? After all it is only once a significant number of people actually own one that the stats will be worth consideration; probably best to consider what happens once people have made their 3rd of 4th purchase, so that all the 'spare', outdated guns have been handed down to family members for use, (sorry I mean taking to) school and so on... perhaps then you start to see the stats the other states are describing... anyway, who would have paid for it if the NRA didn't (in some roundabout or politically motivated way)?

Of course I can tell you it is all ******** without being a prof or doing a study. Simple equations too: )

As a kid I once went to school in (what I thought to be at the time) a war zone. For a 12 year old it was. I feared for my life on occassion, (kids were killed there each year). Racial battles were waged every day and the police or an ambulance was called every lunch time. If those kids had guns (or could have got them), I know they would have used them the moment they got them... and I was scared (despite knowing guns were practically impossible to obtain). But if I could have got one, I would have taken one. I even thought about it. But I couldn't get one. Not a knife, but a gun yes- I could defeat anyone with a gun, I thought. I could take them all out if I had to. In the street, at school... I would have been invincible. Intoxicating stuff for a junior who wanted to be like his older brother and wanted to be noticed, perhaps even respected... (so I perished the thought fast enough, and bought a Bimmer as fast as possible instead (yeaaaaaaaaaaaa serious and instantaeous reshpekt bruddas!)

People, do you really feel safe knowing that every crazed freak that might ask you (or your children) for money or drugs in the street could easily be gripping a gun in their pocket with the latch off? And if you are the type to arm your kids, do you really feel good about their chances facing off with these types? A 12 year old against a 16 year old addict carrying a semi-automatic for example? What would be their chances of beating such characters? If you take them to school in a reinforced hummer to avoid the hordes, what will you do when these vagrants buy ort steal anti-tank devices, or bigger hummers or trucks suitable for ramming you? Is this an arms race you can win with such despos, with you, your wallet for a budget and your children as soldiers? How will the local PD manage this? Will they call the troops back from more important tasks overseas then?

And who will benefit? How will they continue to garner votes and stay in power? Am I wrong? Is there really not already a domestic arms-race going on?

[onewhippedpuppy]

People, do you really feel safe knowing that every crazed freak that might ask you (or your children) for money or drugs in the street could easily be gripping a gun in their pocket with the latch off?

That's the way it is already. I don't worry about the person that jumped through all the hoops, training courses, etc for a concealed carry permit. I worry about the guy that bought a .45 in a dark alley. Drugs are illegal, and yet, people still seem to acquire them. It's naive to think that stiffer controls on guns will keep them out of criminals' hands. And I seriously doubt if anyone is suggesting arming kids at school, that's just stupid.

[genphreak]

genphreak, somehow I think the situation would be different if it were you. If an alligator came into your backyard and went after your child, would you simply throw up your hands and say, "Darwin was right"? I agree that often people are being stupid, and have it coming to them, but the removal of our right to legally defend ourselves is just idiotic. I also agree that much of the problems are due to our encroaching on animals' natural domain, a trend that needs to be arrested with better conservation efforts. As for the rest of your rant, I'll just leave that alone.

Sorry about the verbosity... yes you might be right about me if it was my yard- we all have built in instincts that ensure we conquer all comers. But I like to think I would find a better way to avoid it, rather than face it, at some point.

It just pisses me just like the idiot that moves in next to the pub and complains about the noise (near me they did that to every pub, the bands were stopped and now people don't go and some have closed down. Or the yuppies that bought into the new units behind my building and complain about our air conditioning systems making noise during the day. I mean, if they offered to soundproof it, or got their developer to do something about it that'd be fine, but no, they goto council and get an order making us pay. (It is not above any noise limits). The council is wary of a block of self-interested, voting yuppies of course.

But that's Democracy and the dollar, freedom to be above anything if you can find a way. For these people we need biopods and a Matrix to insert them into. They don't know how to be fair. I am glad I'm not a croc tho.

Yes I am also glad I didn't buy a house with crocs out the back. But it has redback spiders underneath and I don't kill them. Never seen one in th house, but if I did get one, I'd catch it and then work out how to discourage rather than destroy. Guess I don't kill much other than mossies. Roaches I catch and feed to the spiders for fun though, this helps me get over the urge of owning a weapon I guess...

[Gayle]

Ramon

I bet this was not what you expected when you posted this thread. You are probably thinking what happened to my innocent little thread about something close to me.

[genphreak]

That's the way it is already. I don't worry about the person that jumped through all the hoops, training courses, etc for a concealed carry permit. I worry about the guy that bought a .45 in a dark alley. Drugs are illegal, and yet, people still seem to acquire them. It's naive to think that stiffer controls on guns will keep them out of criminals' hands. And I seriously doubt if anyone is suggesting arming kids at school, that's just stupid.

Guns are illegal here in Oz (more or less). Getting one illegally is not immensely hard; but industry (ie organised crime) does not market them to every demographic of freak (or school children), yet. As you know that is far more likley once shitty '45s have no value and a booming retail industry is constantly saturating the market at the upper end. Guns really up the ante domestically, why anyone wants to do that whilst facing increasing problems to do with societal ills and widening wealth/education/opportunity divides is beyond me.

In the rest of the world, these are major drivers of terrorism. (Religion is perhaps more a symptom encouraged by power struggles).

[ryan roopnarine]

ahhh


no documentation or links to support it, but there's a strong rumor that gator season was extended by 3 months in the last day or two by the florida legislature., perhaps retroactively to include "right now" (as a result of the number of attacks). hunting in city limits is ennumerated as being illegal, however.

[Elekta]

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/loca...?storyid=31307

Gotta check that fence that backs up to the wetlands or I'll lose a dog, kid or wife.

Aw c'mon, we know you're gonna get the wife out to the back 40 in the dark and be whisperin, "here gator gator gator"

lighten up evabody

[MBXB]

Not bad!! A small comment on pesky critters in my back yard leads to a feisty discussion on gun control, society, comparative democracies and winfred's penis!

Who needs the Learning Channel? LOL

Now back to the Stanley Cup Playoffs...

Ramon

I bet this was not what you expected when you posted this thread. You are probably thinking what happened to my innocent little thread about something close to me.

[Alexlind123]

Bill he is not being serious in anything he is writing. He is goading everybody on...

I was beginning to think he was actually serious about what he stated in reply to my earlier post mentioning the subject.

Of course crime will usually go down when law permits gun ownership. Though why one needs guns within any population not actually engaged in an organised conflict is beyond me...

The reason is simple. How long does it actually take for uptake of guns to permeate weapons out to all the people wanting to carry them? After all it is only once a significant number of people actually own one that the stats will be worth consideration; probably best to consider what happens once people have made their 3rd of 4th purchase, so that all the 'spare', outdated guns have been handed down to family members for use, (sorry I mean taking to) school and so on... perhaps then you start to see the stats the other states are describing... anyway, who would have paid for it if the NRA didn't (in some roundabout or politically motivated way)?

Of course I can tell you it is all ******** without being a prof or doing a study. Simple equations too: )

As a kid I once went to school in (what I thought to be at the time) a war zone. For a 12 year old it was. I feared for my life on occassion, (kids were killed there each year). Racial battles were waged every day and the police or an ambulance was called every lunch time. If those kids had guns (or could have got them), I know they would have used them the moment they got them... and I was scared (despite knowing guns were practically impossible to obtain). But if I could have got one, I would have taken one. I even thought about it. But I couldn't get one. Not a knife, but a gun yes- I could defeat anyone with a gun, I thought. I could take them all out if I had to. In the street, at school... I would have been invincible. Intoxicating stuff for a junior who wanted to be like his older brother and wanted to be noticed, perhaps even respected... (so I perished the thought fast enough, and bought a Bimmer as fast as possible instead (yeaaaaaaaaaaaa serious and instantaeous reshpekt bruddas!)

People, do you really feel safe knowing that every crazed freak that might ask you (or your children) for money or drugs in the street could easily be gripping a gun in their pocket with the latch off? And if you are the type to arm your kids, do you really feel good about their chances facing off with these types? A 12 year old against a 16 year old addict carrying a semi-automatic for example? What would be their chances of beating such characters? If you take them to school in a reinforced hummer to avoid the hordes, what will you do when these vagrants buy ort steal anti-tank devices, or bigger hummers or trucks suitable for ramming you? Is this an arms race you can win with such despos, with you, your wallet for a budget and your children as soldiers? How will the local PD manage this? Will they call the troops back from more important tasks overseas then?

And who will benefit? How will they continue to garner votes and stay in power? Am I wrong? Is there really not already a domestic arms-race going on?

In the US, rifles are only allowed to 18yr olds, and pistols at 21