Water Power!

[Zeuk in Oz]

the only socially and environmentally sound source of power will be nuclear fission

Agreed ! So how many nuclear power stations does Australia have ? None ? That must be because we have uranium. You can't put import levies on raw materials you already have !

We need some statesmen to actually make some decisions in this country !

[F4Phantom]

If we realise that direct electric cars are more efficient that H cars, then there is only 2 questions to answer. How do we make clean electricity, and how to we make batteries higher density. If we solve those, we will all be driving transmissionless cars that do 0 - 100 in 4 secs and getting 500km range while charging up at home and work. Also they are building a fusion power station in france for somthing like 6 - 9 billion euro's. If that works then we will get power from water but hydrogen is just politicians comment to say "hey look over here, we are making hydrogen cars!" all the while knowing it wont actually work so we can eventually decide it was not right, in the mean time not having to change anything right now. We all should have experianced by now that when large private sectors want rapid change, they make it happen.

[rob101]

If we realise that direct electric cars are more efficient that H cars, then there is only 2 questions to answer. How do we make clean electricity, and how to we make batteries higher density. If we solve those, we will all be driving transmissionless cars that do 0 - 100 in 4 secs and getting 500km range while charging up at home and work. Also they are building a fusion power station in france for somthing like 6 - 9 billion euro's. If that works then we will get power from water but hydrogen is just politicians comment to say "hey look over here, we are making hydrogen cars!" all the while knowing it wont actually work so we can eventually decide it was not right, in the mean time not having to change anything right now. We all should have experianced by now that when large private sectors want rapid change, they make it happen.

the problem with electric cars is that the current cell technology to power a car for the needed distance is too heavy to compete with petrol etc. this is why they are looking at fuel cells as you can put your high energy fuel in yet use electric motors etc. otherwise i'd expect there would be alot more purely electric cars on the road, it is why hybrid cars exist too, because the electric motors are more effecient however you need something that can use a high yeild fuel like petrol and thus have a decent range. hence the hybrid

[Javier]

Water is not the power source, Hydrogen is, not the same. ...

To get the hydrogen from the water requires as much energy as you will get burning it back.

Javier

an energy source, but the combustion residue of some other energy source. To fill the tank with water is comparable to filling the tank with all the exhaust gases of your tail pipe and pretend to drive 300 km with them, trough a process that reproduces the gasoline from the gases, and burn it back in the engine.

Javier

[Rustam]

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an energy source, but the combustion residue of some other energy source. To fill the tank with water is comparable to filling the tank with all the exhaust gases of your tail pipe and pretend to drive 300 km with them, trough a process that reproduces the gasoline from the gases, and burn it back in the engine.

Javier

I got an idea that the energy source is the car's battery in this case, not the water that he puts in.

Alas, the supply of electricity to the battery is provided by the generator, which gets energy from the engine, which gets energy from the hydrogen, which gets "energy" from the water, which gets energy from the battery, which happens to be driven by the generator...

This is impossible, not yet anyway.
Unless, his car is a time machine...