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View Poll Results: Do we need moderators to deal with the deliberately inflamatory posts?

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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gayle
    I have been one of the people involved in adminstering "justice" around here..........And I have to say "it was all fun"........It is fun being a bully.
    Gayle, may I address one point first. When I said "nothing wrong with a good, spirited, argument" I was not suggesting this to imply that I would enjoy putting someone in their place. I meant forum "toing and froing" in general - daily thrust and parry, as it were.
    When I posted my homeless post to try to make a point to HDhandyman that his starving children post was way out of order, or put him in his place if you like, I did not enjoy doing so. I actually felt sad that he had not realised how inappropriate his post had been in the first place.
    I still felt the need to do it however as without a wake-up call he might have continued on in this vein. I was surpsied that others thought what I was doing was as inappropriate as his initial post, however.
    Now we are informed by HDhandyman that this was a "science experiment" .
    Perhaps this is another manifestation of the cultural differences seen with some many different nationalities on the forum.
    I subsequently deleted my posts as they had served their purpose.
    I see this as nothing different to teaching children right from wrong.
    I do not see it as being a bully as once a lesson is learned, we can all move on.
    My concern with moderators is firstly that it is too onerous and difficult a job to expect anyone to do. I take Tony's (wingman) point and also ask who will moderate the moderators - and even more impossible task.
    Nick's (Genphreak) list of rules is admirable, however I feel that this sort of straight-jacket approach will detract massively from some of the genuinely witty and spontaneous posts that we have seen over the years.
    I applaud you Jeff (632 Regal) for your attitude and your dedication. Anything to stifle those with Jeff's sense of humour would be sacrilege.
    My other objection to a set of rules is that interpetation of them would be difficult. Nick picks on religion as being a no-go area. I would ask why ? Is not the freedom to be atheist and therefore question anything religious just as important and honourable an ideal as to hold strong religious views and so question atheism ?
    For what my opinion is worth, I say go forth as we are. The fact that we have lots of new members is a product of our success, so lets muddle on and hopefully have a little fun on the way !


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    religion....long ago George Mann totally persecuted someone here calling them God fearing and on and on...it was totally uncalled for and I personally felt other than love for our "good" friend George. Too bad he is gone now for im sure we ALL appreciated his long winded personal attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuk in Oz
    Gayle, may I address one point first. When I said "nothing wrong with a good, spirited, argument" I was not suggesting this to imply that I would enjoy putting someone in their place. I meant forum "toing and froing" in general - daily thrust and parry, as it were.
    When I posted my homeless post to try to make a point to HDhandyman that his starving children post was way out of order, or put him in his place if you like, I did not enjoy doing so. I actually felt sad that he had not realised how inappropriate his post had been in the first place.
    I still felt the need to do it however as without a wake-up call he might have continued on in this vein. I was surpsied that others thought what I was doing was as inappropriate as his initial post, however.
    Now we are informed by HDhandyman that this was a "science experiment" .
    Perhaps this is another manifestation of the cultural differences seen with some many different nationalities on the forum.
    I subsequently deleted my posts as they had served their purpose.
    I see this as nothing different to teaching children right from wrong.
    I do not see it as being a bully as once a lesson is learned, we can all move on.
    My concern with moderators is firstly that it is too onerous and difficult a job to expect anyone to do. I take Tony's (wingman) point and also ask who will moderate the moderators - and even more impossible task.
    Nick's (Genphreak) list of rules is admirable, however I feel that this sort of straight-jacket approach will detract massively from some of the genuinely witty and spontaneous posts that we have seen over the years.
    I applaud you Jeff (632 Regal) for your attitude and your dedication. Anything to stifle those with Jeff's sense of humour would be sacrilege.
    My other objection to a set of rules is that interpetation of them would be difficult. Nick picks on religion as being a no-go area. I would ask why ? Is not the freedom to be atheist and therefore question anything religious just as important and honourable an ideal as to hold strong religious views and so question atheism ?
    For what my opinion is worth, I say go forth as we are. The fact that we have lots of new members is a product of our success, so lets muddle on and hopefully have a little fun on the way !
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    Quote Originally Posted by 632 Regal
    religion....long ago George Mann totally persecuted someone here calling them God fearing and on and on...it was totally uncalled for and I personally felt other than love for our "good" friend George. Too bad he is gone now for im sure we ALL appreciated his long winded personal attacks.
    Lets talk about religion... it is my favorite topic...
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    Last edited by angrypancake; 02-27-2006 at 02:30 PM.


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    and they told me the sandman wasnt real...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDhandyman
    It won't be that bad, guys. This is all about what happens when a noob realizes that the existing mods don't have real mod powers. They are already used to it on other V-Bulletin forums. We can get used to it as well.

    Gen, I think your willingness to handle this issue in a mature fashion is comendable, thank you.

    I also don't think that true mods will sterilize this place the way you think. In a nicely modded forum, all the work of the mods is taken care of away from the population. Mods can have there own stickies with instructions and messages from the Admin. that the popultion won't be able to access. It usually works best if the mods are not "initial buds", and come from different walks of life. This way they can be here at different times and only hold allegiance to the board, not to each other.

    Just cause I'm about you guys, I'll tell you that I actually (and this is personal) go to a heavily modded forum about Harry Potter where people write vulgar short stories about fantastical relationships within that universe. I go because the writing is great, and I'm into Harry Potter theory. As it turns out, it's actually the best site for Potter theorists because the people there are unrestricted and incredibly briliant. Yet they also write Harloquen romance novels about sexual relationships within the Harry Potter Universe. Other Potter sites attrack the soccer mom crowd, and I hate em cause they're boring--they are also sterile with only slight modderation. The point is that even though the good site is heavily moderated, people feel secure enough there to just " go off" in terms of creativity and thought. Bottom line, it's all about the spirit of the board, and not what the mods do.

    Jeff, I know this is a busy time, but are you or somebody going to address the issues I brought up about cataloging (new guy topics and a petition to locate a V-Bulletin programmer who can write the app for a nicer search function)? I really don't think now is the time for me to start another thread, but I don't want this one swept under the rug.

    Thanks, guys!

    Doesn't anyone else find this absolutely hilarious???


    I think Ed's spot on in saying that we don't need to up the standards here. We seem to be doing just fine, the rare offensive post is usually recognized as such and we really do have a great group of people here. I know most of you don't know me that well, but I've been here since the board started and was a roadfly member since 2000. I'm also a longtime member of Bimmerforums.com. All are good forums. The quality of information though is the best here BY FAR.

    Thanks Ed, for giving us a place to play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gayle
    for the sole purpose of put an early end to the deliberately inflamatory posts that turn into thread wars.
    Great idea but who gets to decide which posts are deliberately inflammtory and which are incidentally inflammatory?

    Everyone has own way of seeing things (cliche, oh well), some people may imagine the thing was designed to pester others may not, and besides what if the board decides that the post was designed to pester and delete it wherein someone has actual interest in seeing the outcome?

    The poll is not a joke, but I personally find it lacking essence...

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