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Robin-535im
12-13-2004, 05:05 PM
As an owner of an M30, valves are often on my mind. I've set them way tight, way loose, and many places in between. My wife thinks it's the kind of thing that should be done once and forgotten... "but the banjo bolts!" I protest with a bit of panic, "I have to see if they're loose!"

So this time it's .010 intake, .012 exhaust. Bill got me scared a while back so I backed off from .008 intake, .010 exhaust. I figure the intake has all that cold air coming in to cool it off so it can take a shorter seat time in stride, and 12 is within specs, so the cam should be okay with working banjo bolts and Mobile 1.

If anyone cares to read, here's my procedure:
1) remove fan shroud (2 plastic pop rivets, pull up and around the rad hoses) and the lower plastic skid plate (4 plastic 10mm, 1 metal 10mm) This is so you can access the crankshaft nut from inside the engine compartment.
2) pull spark plug wires (plugs stay in) and remove all the valve cover nuts (cover stays on for now).
3) pull the idle control valve and oil breather from the intake inlet hose, loosen the worm-screw-clamp at the throttle butterfly, undo the nut from the airbox to the firewall, and pull the air intake ram from the headlight plastic surround.
4) now the whole intake from the airbox to the throttle butterfly can come out in one piece, and after that, the valve cover + gasket. Pulling the whole air box gives lots of room to get your arms in to turn the crankshaft nut.
5) using a 10mm wrench, tiny allen wrench for the lobes, and feelers, set them valves however you want. Set 'em early and often. Your wife will grow to appreciate it. Turn the engine with the crankshaft nut (I forget the size, it's the only dirty big one in my kit so I never have to look) and watch for the lobes to be 180 out of the rocker arm foot. You can feel the compression build up too as an indicator of when some lobes are coming into position. Be sure to double check after you think you're done... correct size should slide in, one size larger should not.

Oh - and I think .008 / .010 is too tight. .010 / .012 seems good to me, and if you get the valves all the same the idle seems to be fine. Starts easier now than before, and I think I caught a loose one that was making noise before.

JonE
12-13-2004, 05:36 PM
Hi Robin,
I probably should do this soon, too. So, are you leaving the plugs in to feel the compression build and just turning the engine with the nut? Do you need a pretty long breaker to turn it or is it not too bad?

Jr ///M5
12-13-2004, 05:44 PM
I'm too lazy to use the breaker bar on the crank. I fixed up one of those momentary contact switches and 6' leads with a couple of bullets that fit the diagnostic connectors. Plug into the proper pins and voila, instant remote starter. Barely bump the starter (with the key off of course) and put the cams where you want 'em.

Bill R made a nice one using a film canister for a switch holder and nice curly leads. Mine's not that fancy, like I said, I was lazy...=)

Jr

Bill R.
12-13-2004, 06:13 PM
use no film canisters ;).... It was a pill bottle, we all take pills nowadays...
Plus it makes a handy tool to reset the oil and service lights.
http://www.bimmernut.com/%7Ebillr/images/remotestarter.jpg






I'm too lazy to use the breaker bar on the crank. I fixed up one of those momentary contact switches and 6' leads with a couple of bullets that fit the diagnostic connectors. Plug into the proper pins and voila, instant remote starter. Barely bump the starter (with the key off of course) and put the cams where you want 'em.

Bill R made a nice one using a film canister for a switch holder and nice curly leads. Mine's not that fancy, like I said, I was lazy...=)

Jr

Robin-535im
12-13-2004, 06:34 PM
How far does it turn the engine with one bump? A few degrees?

Re: leaving the plugs in... I had them out not too long ago (5k miles maybe) so I didn't want to go through the trouble to remove them.

Turning the crank isn't hard. I can't quite do it one handed because the crappy socket wrench I have (Harbor Freight Special) has to be held onto the nut with my right hand while I pull the bar with my left. I'm no body builder and there's minimal effort involved, mostly it's a problem of access.

I'll have to build one of those bump starters though. That'll shave 50% off my time I'm sure. Right now I can go start to finish in about two hours, with beer/potty breaks in the middle.

Brian C.
12-13-2004, 09:19 PM
I go through about 2 dozen in a week, so if-in you ever want a few of those little gray cans, just holler. :p

Brian C.
.....but I'm dijatized too!

Jr ///M5
12-13-2004, 09:46 PM
How far does it turn the engine with one bump? A few degrees?

Re: leaving the plugs in... I had them out not too long ago (5k miles maybe) so I didn't want to go through the trouble to remove them.

Turning the crank isn't hard. I can't quite do it one handed because the crappy socket wrench I have (Harbor Freight Special) has to be held onto the nut with my right hand while I pull the bar with my left. I'm no body builder and there's minimal effort involved, mostly it's a problem of access.

I'll have to build one of those bump starters though. That'll shave 50% off my time I'm sure. Right now I can go start to finish in about two hours, with beer/potty breaks in the middle.

Jr ///M5
12-13-2004, 09:52 PM
Like Bill says, it doubles for your service light and inspection light reset tool. It's two tools in one!!!

How much would YOU pay for a tool like that????
$25?
$50??

Actually you can make it for about $3.....=)

2 hours to adjust the valves??? Just how many beers does it take anyway??? =)

Jr

Hector
12-13-2004, 10:03 PM
method but I need to get with the times here. I got an assorment of electronic components here at work where I could easily rig something up like you guys did but I'm either too lazy or too busy to fiddle with it. Looks like it sure makes valve adjustment go by pretty fast.

On a slightly different topic a guy in my neighborhood is selling his black 635csi for $2K. 'Thinking about purchasing it,' I mentioned to the GF. She almost hit the roof. "It's somewhat bad enough you spending a little too much time on the bimmer you have right now..." Well, you can guess the rest. Anyway, the car needs quite a bit of work bodywise and and some work to the engine but the thought crossed my mind more than once a too many... considering this the car still looks nice.

rommel
12-13-2004, 10:14 PM
I'm going to try the 10 & 12 this weekend Robin. Mine are at 12 right now. I've tried 13, noisy but smooth ---11, rough idle and louder clunking. 12 seems to be the magic number right now. Mine are a little noisy with a little bit of clunking. I don't think it's my chain as I have a new guide and tensioner and cleaned the pressure piston. I can't wait to try the "staggered setup"!

Bill R.
12-13-2004, 11:22 PM
switch anyway....






I go through about 2 dozen in a week, so if-in you ever want a few of those little gray cans, just holler. :p

Brian C.
.....but I'm dijatized too!

winfred
12-13-2004, 11:28 PM
i stick a pick in each terminal and clip on my mac starter bump switch, i use to use a e30 rear window lock out switch but it died


switch anyway....

califblue
12-14-2004, 12:34 PM
on my 92 535i w/5sp and Mark D' chip I have just recently set mine at .9 both intake and exhaust...better gas mileage and performance is noticed. my.02

Robin-535im
12-14-2004, 01:17 PM
Like Bill says, it doubles for your service light and inspection light reset tool. It's two tools in one!!!

How much would YOU pay for a tool like that????
$25?
$50??

Actually you can make it for about $3.....=)

2 hours to adjust the valves??? Just how many beers does it take anyway??? =)

Jr

Not just beer going in, but beer coming out too. Plus - I like to clean everything I take off the car before it goes back on...

Robin-535im
12-14-2004, 03:52 PM
I go through about 2 dozen in a week, so if-in you ever want a few of those little gray cans, just holler. :p

Brian C.
.....but I'm dijatized too!

Bill R.
12-14-2004, 05:43 PM
Like Bill says, it doubles for your service light and inspection light reset tool. It's two tools in one!!!

How much would YOU pay for a tool like that????
$25?
$50??

Actually you can make it for about $3.....=)

2 hours to adjust the valves??? Just how many beers does it take anyway??? =)

Jr

Jr ///M5
12-14-2004, 08:07 PM
Good idea Bill, we could have Brian send us all his old film canisters, put some BMW labels on them.

Ha,ha,ha....I did see someone peddling a set of instructions with a paper clip for $15 on the bay.

I was thinking about buying one of those Peake scanner tools for the BMW fleet, the R5 FCX2. The main reason would be for the 525, but at $130, it's a little steep.

Have you found out about the oil requirements? Think it would still be covered by CPO with Mobil 1? I did find out that BMW suggests the lifetime transmission fluid be changed at 100k now. Now that stuff is EXPENSIVE!!!

Jr

Bill R.
12-14-2004, 11:36 PM
cheaper source for the transfluid myself... with 36k on the new car I think its about time for me to change it...:)





Good idea Bill, we could have Brian send us all his old film canisters, put some BMW labels on them.

Ha,ha,ha....I did see someone peddling a set of instructions with a paper clip for $15 on the bay.

I was thinking about buying one of those Peake scanner tools for the BMW fleet, the R5 FCX2. The main reason would be for the 525, but at $130, it's a little steep.

Have you found out about the oil requirements? Think it would still be covered by CPO with Mobil 1? I did find out that BMW suggests the lifetime transmission fluid be changed at 100k now. Now that stuff is EXPENSIVE!!!

Jr