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genphreak
12-29-2009, 08:28 PM
I've a few e34s, but have never been absolutely happy with the rim/tyre sizes. 16s all need 55 series gumball tyres that are great for rough surfaces but dumb for spirited cornering. 17s and up look great but get clangy on the dodgy Sydney roads as they simply don't have enough 'wall height'.

So I just scored a set of e38 rims which may find a finer balance. Their size is very, very rare size on e34: ie the only model fitted with them was the hyper-rare 525ix Touring. They came as the ultra-rare style #6 like this- factory fitted;

http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/thumbnails/t_006a.jpg (http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com)


I find them interesting. As many e34 owners learn, the best all round size (from a daily drivability point of view) is a 16x7" rim with 225x55 tyres (stock fitment on 'semi-phat' models, even with alloy lower control arms, lowered suspension, offset bushes and fat swaybars to keep it all singing together nicely once 'the going gets rough'. These are hardly M-sport rims though (ie M-tech; 17x8, or M5 spec; 17x8 and 17x9 staggered), which provide the best authobahn drive without a doubt. But here in Oz we don't have a single autobahn and it seems sometimes that dirt roads are more common than smooth ones. Anyway, what I'm after is something a little stiffer than stock, but not on a 17" rim.

BTW: I have tried using 225x50x16s also on stock 16x7 rims. These have the same rolling diameter as many e36 and e46 M-tech wheels, and provide a terrifically sharper drive due to the shorter wall heights and by lowering the car 5mm too. The smaller overall diameter is a bit obvious visually as the space between tyre and guard is increased (and the speedo runs a tad 'high').

Now I know I'm being pedantic, but I really want something with a diameter in the middle between that of the stock tyres 225/55 (123.75) and a 225/50 (112.5). Since there is no 225/52.5, I figure why not go 235/50x16 (117.5) instead. This requires a 7.5" rim. Looking around I found these e38 style #5s, which are more appealing than the e34 style #5, (and I suspect are a common fitment or upgrade on the 540i). It looks like they might well be ideal:

http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/thumbnails/t_005c.jpg (http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/)


BTW; for those thinking they look old school and boring... okay fair point. But what I want here is the perfect size as well as perfect perfromance. That means weight has to be low, so a factory forged rim is cool. Oh, and did I mention they must have a durable finish and be easy to clean? LOL- I want it all!

Anyway, the set I bought came with the e38 gumball-size tyres (235/55x16s) so I sold them off immediately. Now I want to get something right for e34.

What I'd l need to do is verify the tyre size BMW used on the 525ix, but I can't find someone that owns one. I don't think a member here even has one- which is really strange... ??? Now it is probably 235x50x16, but I want to be sure. Maybe they used 245/50x16 (122.5) which might make more sense, but would simply be adding weight and width, which is not really what I am out to do.

As far as I can work out there is only one e34 in Australia (a metallic blue 525ix in Queensland). It came with this size rim from the factory, and I've NFI who owns it, so can't find out what it has. I think the 525ix Touring were only sold in Europe.

Does anyone know what the stock tyre size on the 525ix is? Does anyone run wide 16 tyres? If so, what rims and tyres work well?

BigKriss
12-30-2009, 10:58 AM
Bo from NSW has a 525ix. Maybe he can tell you the correct stock tyre size. I haven't seen him log in for a while though. Or what does real-oem say?

myles
12-30-2009, 03:48 PM
For a 525ix catalog shows a 7.5x16 et54 style 6 rim with a 225/55/16 tyre. Thats an odd offset for an E34. Would give you a narrower wheelbase with rims like that.

E38 style 5's show an 8x16 et23 with 245/55/16
E38 style 6's show a 7.5x16 et20 with no tyre size listed

E39 style 5's show 7x16 et20 with no tyre size listed

genphreak
12-30-2009, 05:58 PM
Thanks Myles, I meant to mention that, I think it's a typo. ET54 cannot be right. If it was, everything else in an ix's suspension would be different too. I don't trust the tyre size either.

I think that site is missing a few 'options' The style #5 rims I have came from an Australian build e38 and are 7.5x16 ET20. Apparently they were never fitted to e34 by that site either, I don't believe that.

Kriss; thanks mate! I'll try to get hold of him. Bo's is a sedan and may be different, let's see...

myles
12-31-2009, 03:24 PM
It looks like the 525ix has front suspension just like a 3er with the single control arm, so that could explain the different offset on the front but the rear looks like the same setup as any other 525. It wouldn't be the first time that there was in error in the catalog. I remember once I was trying to order a hose clamp by part number and ended up getting a metal pipe with a mounting bracket attached for a different car.

bubba966
12-31-2009, 11:34 PM
I'd not be surprised if ET54 was right. The 525ix had very specific offsets that were far different than other E34's. Virtually impossible to find any aftermarket wheels for them due to the funky offset. There were a few wheels made for ix's. But they didn't make many and I'm not sure you could possibly find new ones now. And I can't even recall who made ix wheels or which styles you could get for them. I wanna say ACS made one.

Ross
01-04-2010, 10:59 AM
Regarding your idea about using 235/50 x 16" on E38 wheels; I can tell you for a fact that the 16" E38 wheels with 235s rub on the front strut tubes. Perhaps the lower profile 50 series won't but I'd do some test fitting before ordering tires.

genphreak
01-05-2010, 08:12 AM
Regarding your idea about using 235/50 x 16" on E38 wheels; I can tell you for a fact that the 16" E38 wheels with 235s rub on the front strut tubes. Perhaps the lower profile 50 series won't but I'd do some test fitting before ordering tires.Thanks Ross, indeed. If the offset is the same, the 235 width should be okay, but the rolling diameter should be 6mm less than stock, i.e.
225/55 (123.75)
225/50 (112.5)
235/50x16 (117.5)

The stock e38 tyres (235/55, ie 129.25 dia) are so big one won't fit in the spare wheel compartment, so I am not even going to try mounting one!

Victor
12-31-2012, 05:54 PM
I have a center bore problem ~

I purchased some used Style 5's from a 2002 e39 and planed to put the on my '95 e34. Bought some plastic POS hub centric rings with OD of 74mm, which is supposed to be correct when retrofitting. But the hub bore is clearly larger. Best I can measure it's more like 79 or 80mm when measured from the inside of the wheel. When mounting, there's slop.

7714

The strange thing is, e39's are supposed to have 74m hubs, and NO BMW wheel I've heard of has larger. Can anyone explain? What size rings do I need?

Thanks!!
Vic

shogun
12-31-2012, 10:46 PM
here it says:
What fits my E34 or E32:

None of the 3 series wheels fit (except E30 M3), nor the Z3.
If you want to use E39 wheels (hub center = 74mm) you will need hubcentric rings (parts# A670 from tirerack)
BMW E34 Website (http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Upgrade/wheels_upgrade.htm)


Then I found this comment on BF:
... many of the highend wheel manufacturers use spec rings (they actually clip into the wheel).

This includes BBS (82mm), OZ (variable, mostly between 75-80mm), Schnitzer (82mm), etc.

All of these wheels are same as or better build/manufactured than just about every oem-spec BMW wheel, save throwing stars, and Mpars (and some very few others).

This practice became 'standard' after BMW started making variable hub diameters with the E39.

Maybe they can help
Hub Central Rings - Quality Hub Central Rings in all sizes for Sale (http://www.bigbrandwheels.com/hub-centric-rings-dept/263)
Hubcentric Wheel Spacers at Tulip City Wheels: Brake Spacers,Wheel Adapters (http://www.tulipcitywheels.com/tcwstore/index.php?l=product_list&c=475)

shogun
12-31-2012, 10:46 PM
here it says:
What fits my E34 or E32:

None of the 3 series wheels fit (except E30 M3), nor the Z3.
If you want to use E39 wheels (hub center = 74mm) you will need hubcentric rings (parts# A670 from tirerack)
BMW E34 Website (http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Upgrade/wheels_upgrade.htm)


Then I found this comment on BF:
... many of the highend wheel manufacturers use spec rings (they actually clip into the wheel).

This includes BBS (82mm), OZ (variable, mostly between 75-80mm), Schnitzer (82mm), etc.

All of these wheels are same as or better build/manufactured than just about every oem-spec BMW wheel, save throwing stars, and Mpars (and some very few others).

This practice became 'standard' after BMW started making variable hub diameters with the E39.

Maybe they can help
Hub Central Rings - Quality Hub Central Rings in all sizes for Sale (http://www.bigbrandwheels.com/hub-centric-rings-dept/263)
Hubcentric Wheel Spacers at Tulip City Wheels: Brake Spacers,Wheel Adapters (http://www.tulipcitywheels.com/tcwstore/index.php?l=product_list&c=475)

dongiov
01-01-2013, 06:46 PM
For a 525ix catalog shows a 7.5x16 et54 style 6 rim with a 225/55/16 tyre. Thats an odd offset for an E34. Would give you a narrower wheelbase with rims like that.

Hi,

it may be odd but it happens to be true that the E34 525iX has an offset of ET54. All to do with the suspension and front wheel drive.

And the tyres are 225/55/R16.

BTW I own an 525iX tourer

Hope this helps

Geoff

Dave M
01-01-2013, 08:16 PM
Sorry if i've missed something or am being redundant (read: didn't read all posts thoroughly). I have these rims on my e34 and, as Ross stated, without running spacers you will have rubing issues with a 235. I've taken paint of my strut tubes with Kumho 225s.

Dave