:: So you have $30,000...

[Qube]

:: So you have $30,000 (Canadian Dollars)...

Let's say you had $30,000 and you could do NOTHING except buy a car with it. No, you couldn't buy it, sell it and get some money. No, you can't keep both your beloved e34 and it at the same time. Basically, you have a grant of $30,000 to solely purchase a car. No, you can't pay monthly and invest the rest at 8% a month. First you think... isn't this a wonderful dilemma? Well no... not if you are intimately attached to your e34... well maybe intimately isn't a good word.

If it were me, I would be looking at an e39... something like this:
http://www.trader.ca/Search/Details.asp?mknm=688&Region=-1&subcategory=&CAT=1&ADID=6394722&ADS=6394722%7C

Or a Z4...
http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=1320416&adid=6138852

Or if planning for the family... a TT Roadster...
http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=5092&adid=5954133

I forget... does the Roadster have the rear 'seats'? If not then just a TT Coupe...
http://www.trader.ca/Search/Details.asp?mknm=685&Region=-1&subcategory=&CAT=1&ADID=6409341&ADS=6409341%7C

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What about you? I guess the real dilemma is that 'if' it were me, I'd have trouble parting with my e34. If I was driving my wife's (albeit suped up) Focus hatch, I'd drop it in a heartbeat.

[Sam-Son]

E34 M5 E39 M5

[timandbim]

http://www.canadatrader.com/result/detailinfo.aspx?ID=28157153&pgno=1&srt=1

[bimmerd00d]

If we're limited to one vehicle, then this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-RS-Camaro-Z10-Pace-car-clone-Rosewood-guages-Tach_W0QQitemZ110180558514QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6161Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If we get more than 1 car

2001 740iL Sport
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Clean-740iL-Sport-Must-Drive-Runs-Great_W0QQitemZ260169650260QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6009 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

E34 540i/6
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-540-M-Sport-6-spd-Only-135-Built_W0QQitemZ120171608292QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6008 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Qube]

Overall, I'd move away from the e34 platform... and sell all the billions of parts I have...

Sam-Son, e39 M5 won't do... hard pressed to find a good condition at that price!

Timandbim, the link doesn't work if it's not cached. Try again :)

bimmerd00d, I actually thought about a 200x 740iL, but finding a reputable shop to fix it is hard... any other place will fleece ya for driving a 7 series! :(

[bimmerd00d]

Overall, I'd move away from the e34 platform... and sell all the billions of parts I have...

Sam-Son, e39 M5 won't do... hard pressed to find a good condition at that price!

Timandbim, the link doesn't work if it's not cached. Try again :)

bimmerd00d, I actually thought about a 200x 740iL, but finding a reputable shop to fix it is hard... any other place will fleece ya for driving a 7 series! :(

Sell me some of those parts laying around :D

[Makaveli2k]

you're in toronto aren't you? Won't charlie at bimmersport take care of you?

[shanek]

For me that would be easy, import an M5 touring. But since you said that you want to get away from the E34, I would go for an E39 of some kind. Maybe the new 1 series coupe.

[BigKriss]

any of the turbo jap stuff, probably a nissan skyline r33 or r34

[Sam-Son]

...Sam-Son, e39 M5 won't do... hard pressed to find a good condition at that price!...
I know its the very bottom end of the spectrum...and if you really wanna move away from the E34 then the E34 M5 won't do either so with the options you've given I'd go with the 540

[repenttokyo]

Sam-Son, e39 M5 won't do... hard pressed to find a good condition at that price!

(

Easy to find in good condition, in the US, at that price. Import it into Canada. I'm Canadian, it's not that difficult. I've imported cars before, and a friend just imported a 2003 330 convertible with no issues.

E39 M5 is definitely the road I would go down. You can pick up a good example starting at around 24k USD.

[wjbell]

If we're limited to one vehicle, then this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-RS-Camaro-Z10-Pace-car-clone-Rosewood-guages-Tach_W0QQitemZ110180558514QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6161Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If we get more than 1 car

2001 740iL Sport
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Clean-740iL-Sport-Must-Drive-Runs-Great_W0QQitemZ260169650260QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6009 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

E34 540i/6
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-540-M-Sport-6-spd-Only-135-Built_W0QQitemZ120171608292QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6008 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

NICE! '69 Camaro. Made only one year. Awesome car, as far as American cars go. I had a chance to buy one when I was 18 with a pumped up 427 and a Muncie 4 speed for a good price. Unfortunately, I was 18... and had no money.... Bad ass car though.

EDIT: yes the '69 was made only one year. heheh I meant the body style was only made one year.......

[bimmerd00d]

NICE! '69 Camaro. Made only one year. Awesome car, as far as American cars go. I had a chance to buy one when I was 18 with a pumped up 427 and a Muncie 4 speed for a good price. Unfortunately, I was 18... and had no money.... Bad ass car though.

EDIT: yes the '69 was made only one year. heheh I meant the body style was only made one year.......

Basic shape was the same 67-69, but each year got unique additions to each, '69 being the most drastic. I think my favorite would be a '69 RS/SS 396 with the M21 4-spd. Or do a full custom job with an LS6 and a T56 6-spd with all the modern accomodations and suspension.

[CharlesAFerg]

Wait, 740iL sport? Why get an iL sport, what a boat! Get the 740i "OEM" sport, not some knockoff dealer "sport package" BS. Did BMW even make a true equivalent to the 740i sport as an iL? Someone must know. Theres actually a lot different on the 740i sport than to the regular 740i.

Hell, the iL even more so, due to the suspension and many other gadgets & things..

Get a 740i if you're looking @ 7s, but I'd say get an E39 540i.
I've got a 98 lined up after my car quits. Only 50k miles, owned by my neighbor and it's kept down in a retirement community in Cali and driven once and a while lightly.

[wjbell]

Basic shape was the same 67-69, but each year got unique additions to each, '69 being the most drastic. I think my favorite would be a '69 RS/SS 396 with the M21 4-spd. Or do a full custom job with an LS6 and a T56 6-spd with all the modern accomodations and suspension.


I thought 67 and 68 looked really similar and rounded, where 69 looked more boxy and squared in the fenders.

But yeah, American muscle cars, some of them were pretty sweet. Wasn't there a Chavelle[sp] around '67 that made around 450 HP and would do 13's in the quarter mile right off the showroom floor?

OT, but once I rode in a friends, uncles Chevy Vega station wagon with a dual carbed, tunnel rammed, big block that pulled wheelies. He took me for a ride and almost **** my pants when I was looking at sky and going from 0 to whatever in seconds. No replacement for displacement. :) Well, sometimes, but...

[ThoreauHD]

For that price I'd look at alpina's and give it a 4K paint job and a week at my indy mechanic. B12...

But for a one stop drop on coin for 30K.. no, not many cars at that price are interesting to me without some work.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-B12-Alpina-1991-Flagship-Super-Car_W0QQitemZ160167411653QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6009QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[attack eagle]

mint low miles 850 CSi
or a daytona violet e34 ///M5T

[Dragunov]

Alpina B10 Biturbo or a B12.

[timandbim]

black beauty...

http://www.montrealmusclecars.com/Inventaire/inventory.php/Dodge/Challenger/Challenger%201973

DODGE CHALLENGER 1973, provenance Caroline du Nord, moteur 440 neuf, autom., extrêmement propre, faut voir! $30,000 au (514) 581-8443, montrealmusclecars.com

[filip00]

i'd have no problem buying a car for $30k.

this is my choice:

http://www.bmwz3coupe.com/public/2001_m_coupe.jpg
http://www.bmwz3coupe.com/public/de%203200%20002a%20history%20big.jpg

[DanDombrowski]

You'd spend $20k on the car and have to keep $10k for rear tires for the next 5 years :)

Mcoupe is hot.

[Macv]

Can you import a bi-turbo for under 30k?

[Elekta]

For me that would be easy, import an M5 touring.

in the netflicks voice

Corrrrect!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ggil-tx/bmw/elekta/0000767-R1-020-8A.jpg

You'd still have money left over to drive it back from Cali trans Canada at a very nice rate of speed.

[Qube]

Heh.

Keeping two things in mind...

1. it will be the DAILY DRIVER. So, the 69 Charger is not a good idea... though my buddy has an old Charger and Mustang... dang they're nice!

2. there IS no money left over. It's all or nothing. I'd love to import an R34 but it's a little out of the bounds :( If it were erm...'my' money I'd have no problem justifying it.

[repenttokyo]

E39 M5 E39 M5 E39 M5 E39 M5.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-BMW-M5-6-SPEED-NAVIGATION-SPORT-PKG-ROOF-XENON-6CD_W0QQitemZ200157547744QQihZ010QQcategoryZ133182 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-BMW-M5-NAV-CARFAX-Cert-Reduced-to-SELL_W0QQitemZ180163792402QQihZ008QQcategoryZ13318 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

those are JUST buy it now cars, and i looked quickly. If you are diligent, you can find 50k mile cars around 25 000.

You live in canada, right? Importing an R34 is legal, ask me how.

[Qube]

Few stipulations...

1. the out the door price must be under $30000 CAD
2. importing from States is a no go... importing an R34 from Japan is an exception... though still hard to justify in a 'grant'.


E39 M5 E39 M5 E39 M5 E39 M5.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-BMW-M5-6-SPEED-NAVIGATION-SPORT-PKG-ROOF-XENON-6CD_W0QQitemZ200157547744QQihZ010QQcategoryZ133182 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-BMW-M5-NAV-CARFAX-Cert-Reduced-to-SELL_W0QQitemZ180163792402QQihZ008QQcategoryZ13318 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

those are JUST buy it now cars, and i looked quickly. If you are diligent, you can find 50k mile cars around 25 000.

You live in canada, right? Importing an R34 is legal, ask me how.

[cary]

I would buy one of three completely different cars:

A 2003+ Toyota Landcruiser or the Lexus LX 470 version;
A Porsche 993 or 996;or
A E39 M5.

You did mean US dollars, right?

[Sam-Son]

I would buy one of three completely different cars:

A 2003+ Toyota Landcruiser or the Lexus LX 470 version;
A Porsche 993 or 996;or
A E39 M5.

You did mean US dollars, right?
Canadian dollars.
how much of a difference is it?

[Jon K]

E34 M5 cp pistons arrow rods PT78GTS turbo 4" core intercooler motec M800 60mm tial wg ferrea valves +1mm 272 272 cam regrind clutchnet 2 disc clutch setup mickey thompson 26.5"x12" slicks on weld racing wheels maybe a TH400 with transbrake for a little while, oh, and 6 55 gallon drums of 110 octane :)

[Sam-Son]

E34 M5 cp pistons arrow rods PT78GTS turbo 4" core intercooler motec M800 60mm tial wg ferrea valves +1mm 272 272 cam regrind clutchnet 2 disc clutch setup mickey thompson 26.5"x12" slicks on weld racing wheels maybe a TH400 with transbrake for a little while, oh, and 6 55 gallon drums of 110 octane :)
umm...yeah what he said

[repenttokyo]

Canadian dollars.
how much of a difference is it?


Canadian dollars are worth slightly more than US dollars - 1 to 2 percent.

[repenttokyo]

Few stipulations...

1. the out the door price must be under $30000 CAD
2. importing from States is a no go... importing an R34 from Japan is an exception... though still hard to justify in a 'grant'.


no importing from the US? I am maybe a bit confused as to your source of funding :p what's the deal?

[repenttokyo]

E34 M5 cp pistons arrow rods PT78GTS turbo 4" core intercooler motec M800 60mm tial wg ferrea valves +1mm 272 272 cam regrind clutchnet 2 disc clutch setup mickey thompson 26.5"x12" slicks on weld racing wheels maybe a TH400 with transbrake for a little while, oh, and 6 55 gallon drums of 110 octane :)


dude if you're going to build a drag car, don't build it off a bmw :p

[Jon K]

dude if you're going to build a drag car, don't build it off a bmw :p

why the hell not

whats so special about a bmw?!

[repenttokyo]

why the hell not

whats so special about a bmw?!

nothing, which is exactly my point. If I was going to build a drag car, I would choose something lighter or with a better chassis than an e34. There's just so much you would have to change to make it a serious contender. Why not start with a car that was a solid rear axle?

Sure, you COULD do the mods you mentioned, but you could also probably spend half the money on a different platform and match or exceed the e34's times.

[CharlesAFerg]

You can buy the E65 745i here in the states for around 30k...
They are the ones with a lot of problems, but I mean heck if you can fix it out that's a pretty sweet deal.

[Jon K]

E34 suspension is actually really good for drag racing

[CharlesAFerg]

E34 suspension is actually really good for drag racing

but a stock M20 with 169k is not! weee put-put off the line!

[repenttokyo]

E34 suspension is actually really good for drag racing


independent rear suspensions are not really good for drag racing. In comparison with a solid rear axle, it's not nearly as good at putting power down, and you have more hurdles to over come. They are also not as strong.

[Jon K]

while thats a good rule of thumb it is not always the case. The E34 rear suspension is much more ideal for drag racing than the E36/E30 setup.

Yes a solid rear car will handle more power longer and load the tires better depending on the chassis, have you ever seen a very high hp car launch and twist? Lifting the left rear wheel in a huge launch is not ideal for traction! Thats when it is time to setup the suspension better and tweak the chassis. In an IRS car, you rarely ever have to worry about that. Look at the toyota supras and dodge viper twin turbos running 8's with stock IRS.

[repenttokyo]

while thats a good rule of thumb it is not always the case. The E34 rear suspension is much more ideal for drag racing than the E36/E30 setup.

Yes a solid rear car will handle more power longer and load the tires better depending on the chassis, have you ever seen a very high hp car launch and twist? Lifting the left rear wheel in a huge launch is not ideal for traction! Thats when it is time to setup the suspension better and tweak the chassis. In an IRS car, you rarely ever have to worry about that. Look at the toyota supras and dodge viper twin turbos running 8's with stock IRS.

It comes down to design in many instances, you are correct. For example, a corvette IRS has more spread out mounting points than a Cobra IRS, which means that under extreme wheel hop, which IRS setups are prone to under heavy load, there is less chance of the diff ripping off the frame from vibration / motion. A good friend had to install a brace to stop wheel hop on his Cobra.

Regarding a high horsepower car twisting and lifting a wheel with a solid rear axle - if the suspension is tuned properly in the first place, this will not happen. I am sure you have seen drag cars that have a slanted look to them - higher on one side than the other. This is usually an indication of a pretty serious suspension setup and pretty serious horsepower. I never race those guys ;)

I used to drag race a lot on airbags / irs, and i got a lot of twist on launch there as well. Some cars are really flexy.

[Ross]

The '70 Chevelle was available with the 450hp 454cube engine. Conservatively rated actually. A good friend had one, dead stock except headers. It would do 12.60s all day. Could also break loose the tires from a 50 mph punch in 4th gear. Torque city. 30 Gs wouldn't even come close to buying it or any decent '69 Camaro these days. Too much stupid money buying them.
30 grand will buy an old Ferrari 328 in good shape, that's my choice.

[attack eagle]

Jon: the FASTEST supras are running 9inch Ford straight axle rears...

When you want the maximum contact patch on a flat smooth surface despite loading, straight axles are king... being cambered in relation to the road = less traction, and any independent rear is going to have camber changes under load..

[Jon K]

Jon: the FASTEST supras are running 9inch Ford straight axle rears...

When you want the maximum contact patch on a flat smooth surface despite loading, straight axles are king... being cambered in relation to the road = less traction, and any independent rear is going to have camber changes under load..
http://www.boostlogic.com/pics/BLLaunch.jpg

Boost logic "ver 2" supra.

7.8's

TRD IRS rear ;)

[Sam-Son]

http://www.boostlogic.com/pics/BLLaunch.jpg

Boost logic "ver 2" supra.

7.8's

TRD IRS rear ;)
OK jon youi've now proven its impossible to argue with you...but I'll just add my .02 I'd hate to see a BMW drag car because BMW is a brand known for having fantastic weight distribution and some of the best handling cars on the road. any BMW that's going to spend it's entire life goin in a straight line seems like a waste

[bimmerd00d]

OK jon youi've now proven its impossible to argue with you...but I'll just add my .02 I'd hate to see a BMW drag car because BMW is a brand known for having fantastic weight distribution and some of the best handling cars on the road. any BMW that's going to spend it's entire life goin in a straight line seems like a waste

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY3CS8_Ee8k

[CharlesAFerg]

OK jon youi've now proven its impossible to argue with you...but I'll just add my .02 I'd hate to see a BMW drag car because BMW is a brand known for having fantastic weight distribution and some of the best handling cars on the road. any BMW that's going to spend it's entire life goin in a straight line seems like a waste

It is.
But hell, if it's been tampered with so much like that supra is it really a Toyota anymore? Not really.

I've gotten a ride in an old Ferarri like what was mentioned, so much fun!

[repenttokyo]

Boost logic "ver 2" supra.

7.8's

TRD IRS rear ;)


A TRD IRS rear is not "stock" on a supra. If you throw enough money at something, you can make it work, obviously. You can make a 3 ton car run 10's in the 1/4 dragging a boat anchor, but that doesn't make it the best way to do something.

I've run both IRS and solid rear axle, as have many people I know. I''ve even had my IRS car trapping faster than my solid rear axle car. But it's clear which one has fewer problems at the dragstrip.

Seriously fast cars do not run an IRS on the 1/4. Go count how many top fuel or funny cars run an IRS. 7.8 might seem fast. until you run into the cars that do half that time.

[Sam-Son]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY3CS8_Ee8k
That's exactly what I had in mind when I posted
328 won't sell for anything under 50k 60k for a decent one
30k would get you an pre-QV 308 and it'll cost you about that much to keep it running
Driving a Ferrari is a driving experience no other car can provide;)

[Jon K]

A TRD IRS rear is not "stock" on a supra. If you throw enough money at something, you can make it work, obviously. You can make a 3 ton car run 10's in the 1/4 dragging a boat anchor, but that doesn't make it the best way to do something.

I've run both IRS and solid rear axle, as have many people I know. I''ve even had my IRS car trapping faster than my solid rear axle car. But it's clear which one has fewer problems at the dragstrip.

Seriously fast cars do not run an IRS on the 1/4. Go count how many top fuel or funny cars run an IRS. 7.8 might seem fast. until you run into the cars that do half that time.
I am not interested in building a top fuel car or alcohol car. However, the IRS supras and vipers running low 7's high 6's on IRS is pretty fine in my book. Sure there are faster solid rear cars, but there are also faster motorcycles also. I don't care to have either.

TRD rear end is IRS it's reinforced with axles and built differential. Its not "stock" but neither would putting a E34 M5 rear subframe in my 525. Its still an IRS, though.

[RockJock]

2 bad you can't import from India or your problem would be solved ...eh? :p

http://www.bimmer.info/forum/showthread.php?t=35592

[attack eagle]

why would you want fat porky supras (or Vipers) with the aerodynamics of a brick anyway... nothing like paying thru the nose for a car, buying overpriced parts to make it a strip warrior and getting your ass handed to you by a cheap fast car...

Stock rear suspension, stock front suspension, stock diffs, off the shelf lowering spring/strut combo, off the shelf axles...
7.70s at 191 mph...

gotta love Shep for taking someone's cast off DSM and making it the quickest AWD in the world.
Or dennis Grant for taking the heavy 2g AWD and winning SCCA with it while pulling consistent 3.3second 0-60 times.

For 30k thugh i'd still rather have a slower BMW... less maintenance intensive cars

[Jon K]

why would you want fat porky supras (or Vipers) with the aerodynamics of a brick anyway... nothing like paying thru the nose for a car, buying overpriced parts to make it a strip warrior and getting your ass handed to you by a cheap fast car...

Stock rear suspension, stock front suspension, stock diffs, off the shelf lowering spring/strut combo, off the shelf axles...
7.70s at 191 mph...

gotta love Shep for taking someone's cast off DSM and making it the quickest AWD in the world.
Or dennis Grant for taking the heavy 2g AWD and winning SCCA with it while pulling consistent 3.3second 0-60 times.

For 30k thugh i'd still rather have a slower BMW... less maintenance intensive cars

Firstly I don't want the supra I want the E34 w/ S38 built like I said earlier ;)

Their aerodynamics are not **** - they run the texas mile faster than any box style domestic.

Are you really nominating a DSM? You are joking, right? The most unreliable car I have ever laid hands on. Between the 7 bolt and then the issues that the 6 bolts do have, I would never walk into that trap. Getting a 1g to be reliable at 13's is one thing. Reliable in single digits? Ha! Yeah they're fast when the run, but they're junk boxes to the extreme.

This is coming from a guy helping a friend fix his Evo that grenaded.

[attack eagle]

LOL, I know a lot of bmws that are "expensive junkboxes" at <13 seconds too. A lot off them include ///M as part of the name.
If i wanted an 11 second car, BMW wouldn't even be on the list, and dsm would be #1. I like 700 crank hp stock long blocks. :)

Anyone who grenades an EVO = moron/imbecile/ shouldn't even own a car.
unless he was cranking out north of 700 whp, there is no reason other than abuse neglect or stupidity for him to have damaged it.


Supras have shitty aero... my TOURING has a lower cD than supras. My DSM did too... just one reason why it ran a rev limited 167mph bone stock with 195 crank hp...

[Jon K]

I can't believe we're talking about DSMs... yeck.

Anyway, Supra is a .33 cD, an E34 is .32.

Supra has a large gaping hole in the front bumper, long hood, etc. I really do not attribute its "shitty aero" to anything - it's not shitty what so ever. Compared to a Nova/Chevelle/Camaro of like .52 or something ridiculous like that

[attack eagle]

.33 vs .29 for a car designed in 1989...

Family sedans have lower cds than that.

[repenttokyo]

why would you want fat porky supras (or Vipers) with the aerodynamics of a brick anyway... nothing like paying thru the nose for a car, buying overpriced parts to make it a strip warrior and getting your ass handed to you by a cheap fast car...

Stock rear suspension, stock front suspension, stock diffs, off the shelf lowering spring/strut combo, off the shelf axles...
7.70s at 191 mph...

gotta love Shep for taking someone's cast off DSM and making it the quickest AWD in the world.
Or dennis Grant for taking the heavy 2g AWD and winning SCCA with it while pulling consistent 3.3second 0-60 times.

For 30k thugh i'd still rather have a slower BMW... less maintenance intensive cars


a viper has way better aero than an e34 or a DSM....but a DSM is an excellent low buck drag platform.

[Qube]

Holy **** this is OT.

[repenttokyo]

lol.

[Ross]

Why? It's a ##$% swing axle.

[Jon K]

.33 vs .29 for a car designed in 1989...

Family sedans have lower cds than that.

You can make any car have a real low drag coefficient, but then you have to worry about cooling and stability.

This might rock your world:

2006 Ferrari F430:
Drag Coefficient .33 drag coefficient

[rnrn]

1. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-911-Carrera-4-Black-911-C4-Sunroof-CD-Changer-Local-Trade-AUDI-DEALER_W0QQitemZ130164293146QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em130164293146

2. Until my $$ runs out http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-356-Speedster-1956-Porsche-Speedster-356-Carrera-Re-creation_W0QQitemZ270175612710QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item270175612710

3. Sentimental favorite growing up (Dad had one) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-356-Speedster-1956-Porsche-Speedster-356-Carrera-Re-creation_W0QQitemZ270175612710QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item270175612710

[Jon K]

$25k for a ghia (probably) with 356 body work.. and a vw motor...

PASS

[tdgard]

BMW did make a 740il sport in 01--but that is not one of them. You have to be careful when buying any of the 7 series called a "sport". People stick on the M par wheels and think they can sell it as one. The dead giveaway is the transmission. If it does not have the steptronic option it is not the sport--of course there are many other differences--but that is the most easily spotted one. The only difference between the 740i and il sport models is that they did not lower the il.






Wait, 740iL sport? Why get an iL sport, what a boat! Get the 740i "OEM" sport, not some knockoff dealer "sport package" BS. Did BMW even make a true equivalent to the 740i sport as an iL? Someone must know. Theres actually a lot different on the 740i sport than to the regular 740i.

Hell, the iL even more so, due to the suspension and many other gadgets & things..

Get a 740i if you're looking @ 7s, but I'd say get an E39 540i.
I've got a 98 lined up after my car quits. Only 50k miles, owned by my neighbor and it's kept down in a retirement community in Cali and driven once and a while lightly.