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soldado37
08-08-2006, 11:18 AM
Since I am selling my car with the original tires and rims, I am selling the M5 Original Rims and tires separately. I post them on ebay. Take a look

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180015231609&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

VentoGT
08-08-2006, 12:30 PM
Cross posted this on the yahoo M5 list.

GoldenOne
08-08-2006, 01:16 PM
i thought e34 M5 wheels were throwing stars? and m-pars were from the e38 sport models

wjbell
08-08-2006, 01:43 PM
i thought e34 M5 wheels were throwing stars? and m-pars were from the e38 sport models

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model=HD93&mospid=47412&hg=36&fg=15

Robin-535im
08-08-2006, 01:44 PM
Since I am selling my car with the original tires and rims, I am selling the M5 Original Rims and tires separately. I post them on ebay. Take a look

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180015231609&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
Nice rims. These are 8.5 inch? Staggered?

VentoGT
08-08-2006, 02:48 PM
i thought e34 M5 wheels were throwing stars? and m-pars were from the e38 sport models

The M5 started with the Turbine wheels, then got Throwing stars [in 1993 I think], and then the very first M Parallels were factory fitted on the 1995 Euro 3.8L M5 and were forged and flat silver, not polished or mirror finished. They have different measurements than the e38 M-pars as well.

wjbell
08-08-2006, 04:25 PM
"What are the factory wheel and tire sizes for the E34 M5?

There are two factory 17-inch wheels for the E34 M5, M System I and M System II. Both are a two-piece wheel with a forged five-spoke center and a cast rim covered by an outer cover. The only difference is the design of the outer cover, "turbine" for the M System I and "throwing star" for the M System II. This outer cover is interchangeable between the two M System wheels, making updating form the earlier style to the later style an easy (and therefore common) procedure.

The 3.6-liter M5 is equipped with 235/45ZR17 tires on 8x17-inch M System I wheels. However, for the 1993 model year, North American-spec M5s use the M System II design in the same size. In addition, wider 255/40ZR17 rear tires on 9x17-inch M System I wheels were available as an option in some markets (not North America).

All 3.8-liter M5 sedans built before May, 1994 are equipped with 235/45ZR17 tires on 8x17-inch M System II wheels. Sedans equipped with the optional Nurburgring Package and all Tourings use wider 255/40ZR17 rear tires on 9x17-inch M System II wheels.

All M5s built after May, 1994 have 245/45ZR18 tires on all four corners with staggered M Parallel Spoke wheels measuring 8x18-inches in the front and 9x18-inches in the rear. Note: Though nearly identical in style to the 18-inch M Parallel Spoke wheels later used on the E38 7 Series, the E34 M5 wheels have a matte silver finish and a unique offset."

From here:
http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=12

Elekta
08-08-2006, 04:49 PM
I'll go $8hundy...a lil reserve check.

ok, $810, there that pesky bidder to beat.

Ya know, it's been said that not having a reserve or buy it now can sometimes start an insane bidding war that usually beats what you would have ordinarily reserved for....so ya might want to take that into account...you know...it's been said ;)

soldado37
08-08-2006, 10:27 PM
Nice rims. These are 8.5 inch? Staggered?

they are 8.5inch not staggered.

Gayle
08-08-2006, 11:22 PM
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All M5s built after May, 1994 have 245/45ZR18 tires on all four corners with staggered M Parallel Spoke wheels measuring 8x18-inches in the front and 9x18-inches in the rear. Note: Though nearly identical in style to the 18-inch M Parallel Spoke wheels later used on the E38 7 Series, the E34 M5 wheels have a matte silver finish and a unique offset."



Here is a duh question. So if mine are 18 inch and staggered, does that mean they came from an M5 rather than an e38?



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wjbell
08-08-2006, 11:39 PM
Here is a duh question. So if mine are 18 inch and staggered, does that mean they came from an M5 rather than an e38?
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I believe that staggered rear Mpars from an e38 are 9.5 inches wide where the ones from the M5 are 9.0 inches wide.

M5 9.0:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=HC91&mospid=47387&btnr=36_0190&hg=36&fg=15

e38 9.5:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=GH83&mospid=47531&btnr=36_0189&hg=36&fg=15

Gayle
08-08-2006, 11:59 PM
I really appreciate this information. This is something I have wanted to know. I have seen multiple claims here that m pars never came on a e34 M5 and maybe one claim that they did.

I am not sure I could definitely tell the difference in finishes unless I had one of each right in front of me but I probably can get the difference between 9.0 and 9.5. :)

wjbell
08-09-2006, 12:05 AM
I really appreciate this information. This is something I have wanted to know. I have seen multiple claims here that m pars never came on a e34 M5 and maybe one claim that they did.

I am not sure I could definitely tell the difference in finishes unless I had one of each right in front of me but I probably can get the difference between 9.0 and 9.5. :)

You can tell by the offset. The M5 pars have an offset of 20 front 22 rear. The e38s are 13 and 25 respectively.

soldado37
08-09-2006, 04:24 PM
Sold The Rims!!

Gayle
08-09-2006, 09:01 PM
You can tell by the offset. The M5 pars have an offset of 20 front 22 rear. The e38s are 13 and 25 respectively.

So last night I went to bed thinking "oh great. Now I am finally going to know the parentage of my rims. Then I realized, oh F____, I don't really know what offset is and how to tell 13 from 20, or 22 from 25.":(

And I don't think a search of the archives will help on this one. What would I search for--definition of offset? So please help me out. Explain offset to me.



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wjbell
08-09-2006, 09:26 PM
So last night I went to bed thinking "oh great. Now I am finally going to know the parentage of my rims. Then I realized, oh F____, I don't really know what offset is and how to tell 13 from 20, or 22 from 25.":(

And I don't think a search of the archives will help on this one. What would I search for--definition of offset? So please help me out. Explain offset to me.
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The offset is the number of millimeters the rim is off set from the center of the wheel vertically. IOW, it is how much your wheels stick out or are tucked under the fender.

The offset will be stamped on the back of the wheel. Don't quote me on this but the offset is preceeded by the letters ET. So it'll be somthing like: ET13 or ET20.

I *think* the M pars from the M5 where a dull finish like stock basketweaves, juast an aluminum look. The Mpars from the e38 have a polished lip and face of the spokes. If yours have a polish then they're probably e38 mpars, which are more common.

Gayle
08-09-2006, 10:01 PM
The offset is the number of millimeters the rim is off set from the center of the wheel vertically. IOW, it is how much your wheels stick out or are tucked under the fender.

The offset will be stamped on the back of the wheel. Don't quote me on this but the offset is preceeded by the letters ET. So it'll be somthing like: ET13 or ET20.

I *think* the M pars from the M5 where a dull finish like stock basketweaves, juast an aluminum look. The Mpars from the e38 have a polished lip and face of the spokes. If yours have a polish then they're probably e38 mpars, which are more common.


Thanks. :)

gymkata
08-09-2006, 10:07 PM
Since I am selling my car with the original tires and rims, I am selling the M5 Original Rims and tires separately. I post them on ebay. Take a look

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180015231609&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1


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Paul in NZ
08-10-2006, 05:05 AM
sheesh Gayle dont leave us in suspense...whaddaya got?Take a good pic of one of yer wheels wth tht nifty lil camera

Gayle
08-10-2006, 11:07 PM
sheesh Gayle dont leave us in suspense...whaddaya got?Take a good pic of one of yer wheels wth tht nifty lil camera

This is like when a friend comes over to visit and your house is trashed. You open the door and say come on in. My wheels are dirty. We won't even talk about the zimmermans. Just tell me what I have and don't dog me about detailing.:)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/e34Gayle/IMG_1661Small.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/e34Gayle/IMG_1660Small.jpg

Gayle
08-11-2006, 09:00 PM
sheesh Gayle dont leave us in suspense...whaddaya got?Take a good pic of one of yer wheels wth tht nifty lil camera

Hey Paul

I did my part. I took the pics. Aren't you going to tell me the offset?

Knowing the parentage of my wheels is becoming an obsession.

Paul in NZ
08-11-2006, 09:08 PM
paul (staring dumbly at Gayles wheels)
"say what?"


I *think* the M pars from the M5 where a dull finish like stock basketweaves, juast an aluminum look. The Mpars from the e38 have a polished lip and face of the spokes. If yours have a polish then they're probably e38 mpars, which are more common.


From that description I would say you have the E38 wheels :D

Paul in NZ
08-11-2006, 09:21 PM
you can measure the offset with a ruler or tapemeasure and a straight edge or even better a caliper a ruler or tape measure and straight edge
1) measure the overall width of the wheel with ruler tape or caliper
2) measure the distance from the wheel mounting surface(where the wheel bolts to the rusty nasty looking hub top hat using your ruler or tape) back to the inside edge of the straight edge which you are holding across the wheel rim
The difference between the second measurement and the oveall width/2 is the offset

DueyT
08-12-2006, 03:43 AM
Gayle, if you take off a wheel, you should see something like 8.5JJ18 ET13 cast into the hub.

BTW, ET is German for offset ("Einpressteife", or literally "pressed in depth").

Cheers,
Duey

Gayle
08-12-2006, 09:41 AM
Thanks guys.

Alan_525i
08-12-2006, 12:14 PM
Here is a duh question. So if mine are 18 inch and staggered, does that mean they came from an M5 rather than an e38?

I think the E38s are staggered as well. Look at the back of the wheel for the offset. I forget which ones are which, but I'm sure someone can answer.

EDIT: Next time before I post I will remember to read the rest of the thread!:D