OT, this is way ot but does anybody know of any

[Bill R.]

good sites or pages with contemporary wrought or ornamental iron screen doors? I'm looking for some design ideas. I have to weld up a screen door for my back door and looking for something that will fit in with a glass back door on my house...looking for out of the ordinary ideas, same with the lock hardware, any unusual stainless lever type that anybody knows of

Thanks.

[HDhandyman]

Hey Bill, I'm a little confused as to what style you are looking for. You say wrought iron, which in a contemporary sense to me seems like "Craftsman" (think Macintosh not Sears). If this were the case, I would Google "Frank Lloyd Wright Stained Glass Windows". here's an example, although highly intricate, from my collection. You could easily find more simple (FLW) designs that would look great as an iron screeen door.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1015/flw9zd.jpg

But then you say "stainless steel hardware". Sounds more to me like Cali. Mod or 80's New York.

Can you be a little more style specific, I'm happy to help out once I know what you're looking for.

Stephen

[Jay 535i]

I love FLW. I hate wrought iron.

Hope that helps ;)

[HDhandyman]

here's some ideas...

http://www.jlsloan.com/flw.htm

[Bill R.]

very common anymore and i don't have a forge, but the term is still used interchangeably with ornamental iron. Since most of these modern doors are neither instead they are mild steel but the old terminology has stuck with them still.. My house was built in 1951 by an architect who was a student of FLW. The style could be called 50's modern. Brick house, Wood beams and 2x6 tongue and groove ceiling/roof, whats called a butterfly roof . A fair amount of glass etc more along the lines of what you think of probably as california modern. I 'm just looking for design ideas strictly for a screen door for the back. No glass, fairly simple clean design but my wife requires it to incorporate a cat door into the design also so i have to take that into consideration. As far as the locksets i'm looking for something in brushed stainless probably in a mortise lock. contemporary clean, simple. There are a number of traditional locksets but they all require that i weld in a lockbox which to me detracts from the appearance that i'm looking for. Here's one design that i may use as a starting point and modify http://www.designerdoorsaz.com/images/estate_series/1128elegante.gif
Or something like the eclipse herehttp://www.securitydoorsonline.com/designs7.jpeg

Then again i'm just looking for ideas, these aren't intended as a security door strictly a screen door to keep out bugs. I would like to make it a just an open frame but sure enough someone would put their hand through it



Hey Bill, I'm a little confused as to what style you are looking for. You say wrought iron, which in a contemporary sense to me seems like "Craftsman" (think Macintosh not Sears). If this were the case, I would Google "Frank Lloyd Wright Stained Glass Windows". here's an example, although highly intricate, from my collection. You could easily find more simple (FLW) designs that would look great as an iron screeen door.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1015/flw9zd.jpg

But then you say "stainless steel hardware". Sounds more to me like Cali. Mod or 80's New York.

Can you be a little more style specific, I'm happy to help out once I know what you're looking for.

Stephen

[Jay 535i]

but my wife requires it to incorporate a cat door into the design

Buddy, be a man and stop making your wife go through the cat door! Sheesh.

Or did you mean to say the cat requires it?

FWIW I like the "Eclipse" very much.

[HDhandyman]

I like the eclipse too! Maybe I'm misunderstanding you Bill, or you are one hell of a welder. My own Father has been welding and metal working for the last 15 years and has only recently pulled off designs similar to the first one.

At this point I'm just thumbing through a copy of "Amercian Bungalow" to try and find you some links for hardware in the adds. So far...

http://www.internationaldoor.com/
http://www.rockymountainhardware.com/
http://www.crowncityhardware.com/index.html

I like the last one for you!

Stephen

[Jay 535i]

I like the eclipse too! Maybe I'm misunderstanding you Bill, or you are one hell of a welder. My own Father has been welding and metal working for the last 15 years and has only recently pulled off designs similar to the first one.

At this point I'm just thumbing through a copy of "Amercian Bungalow" to try and find you some links for hardware in the adds. So far...

http://www.internationaldoor.com/
http://www.rockymountainhardware.com/
http://www.crowncityhardware.com/index.html

I like the last one for you!

Stephen

Wow, the stuff at that last link is really beautiful.

'Scuse me for listening in and having a little vicarious fun :)

[Bill R.]

one hell of a welder but that first design isn't terribly difficult if you have access to the right tools. I use some friends of mine's iron shop and they have everything i would need, rollers of virtually any size, benders, numerous ironworkers with dies made up over the last 45 years and they don't throw anything away so the chances are if i need to bend a particular shape they have a die or template for that shape. The welding and fabricating is the easy part, for me the ideas and the design and concepts are the difficult part... Thanks for what you've come up with so far though
I hadn't seen some of these hardware sites before.



I like the eclipse too! Maybe I'm misunderstanding you Bill, or you are one hell of a welder. My own Father has been welding and metal working for the last 15 years and has only recently pulled off designs similar to the first one.

At this point I'm just thumbing through a copy of "Amercian Bungalow" to try and find you some links for hardware in the adds. So far...

http://www.internationaldoor.com/
http://www.rockymountainhardware.com/
http://www.crowncityhardware.com/index.html

I like the last one for you!

Stephen

[HDhandyman]

one hell of a welder but that first design isn't terribly difficult if you have access to the right tools. I use some friends of mine's iron shop and they have everything i would need, rollers of virtually any size, benders, numerous ironworkers with dies made up over the last 45 years and they don't throw anything away so the chances are if i need to bend a particular shape they have a die or template for that shape. The welding and fabricating is the easy part, for me the ideas and the design and concepts are the difficult part... Thanks for what you've come up with so far though
I hadn't seen some of these hardware sites before.

No offense taken!

Dad doesn't have a shop with forty five years worth of experience to draw on, and that's probably a nice added bonus when you are really trying to get something done. He has tried to impress upon me the fact that while the act of welding is not very difficult (once learned), it is very difficult to weld an artistic peice with flowing lines and very nice seams. I guess that's what I imagined the first door to be like. The lines are very flowing. However, truth be told, it is not my favoritte of the options, nor can I envision a cat door being tied into the design, seemlessly. So, are you set on these designs? You know, I play with lines all the time. Maybe you'd like me to work on something for you and give you some options of my own. The eclipse and the first option are very different, do you have a tendancy towards more flowing, or more straight lines. How did you like the mortise option for screen doors in the last link?

Stephen

[HDhandyman]

Just some old mess I free-handed. Nothing about this is an exact science.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5981/doors16tr.jpg

you said simple, so...

[Bill R.]

flopping that first one horizontally like this and then changing one arc like so to create an area that i can make the catdoor in ... the lower right area with the arc and a big enough area for a cathttp://www3.upload2.net/file22/tZSQv/VtYxByDj1hyYXx3/1128elegante.jpg
And so far the hardware that i like the best is the stainless sold in England at this site, just a simple satinfinish stainless (http://www.worldofbrass.co.uk/shop/71/102/index.htm)
But i'm going to keep looking around for a few days for other ideas and welcome any suggestions.

(http://www.worldofbrass.co.uk/shop/71/102/index.htm)

No offense taken!

Dad doesn't have a shop with forty five years worth of experience to draw on, and that's probably a nice added bonus when you are really trying to get something done. He has tried to impress upon me the fact that while the act of welding is not very difficult (once learned), it is very difficult to weld an artistic peice with flowing lines and very nice seams. I guess that's what I imagined the first door to be like. The lines are very flowing. However, truth be told, it is not my favoritte of the options, nor can I envision a cat door being tied into the design, seemlessly. So, are you set on these designs? You know, I play with lines all the time. Maybe you'd like me to work on something for you and give you some options of my own. The eclipse and the first option are very different, do you have a tendancy towards more flowing, or more straight lines. How did you like the mortise option for screen doors in the last link?

Stephen

[Jay 535i]

Just some old mess I free-handed. Nothing about this is an exact science.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5981/doors16tr.jpg

you said simple, so...

Those are all upside-down!

[dacoyote]

Those are all upside-down!

It;s for the cat door...

[Jay 535i]

It;s for the cat door...

Ha! Right. Forgot. :)

[dacoyote]

Ha! Right. Forgot. :)

LOL... n/p man... got me 2 extra posts today