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Thread: Bizarre - My first time being stranded thanks to the e34 :(

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    Default Bizarre - My first time being stranded thanks to the e34 :(

    So I had just got finished doing a complete oil change. Gave it the test drive around the highway and everything worked great. I parked it and turned it off and went inside for a little bit. My girlfriend called and wanted me to come visit her. So I left and here is where it begins….

    I get about 3 miles down the road and the power steering stops working. Its harder to turn the slower I go. The battery light comes on and the “park brake” lights come on as well. I keep driving trying to get to my girlfriends place which is a couple more miles. Well next thing you know, my car is overheating. I pull to the side of the road turn on my hazards pop the hood, and its smoking, and there’s coolant underneath the car (don’t know if anything busted or what, radiator is relatively new). The weird thing was that the belts popped off. The smaller one which I believe is for the power steering popped all the way off while the bigger one, the fan belt popped off but is still in its section. The belts are a few weeks old and it just now started getting really cold. I have no clue what has happened but this is what I am guessing. The belts aren’t correct for the car or are too big or something along those lines. They popped off and the car overheated (car still drives fine btw). I dropped the car off in the shop parking lot but they wont be open till Jan 2nd. Can anyone find any correlation in this? Is it my fault or perhaps faulty belts (they aren’t broken). Please help, thanks

    -Joseph
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    its all related to the belts..although the parking brake light confuses me.Have you changed the belts?????
    Gone but not forgotten

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    Sounds like the belts were not tensioned properly last time they were changed. i.e. the front and rear of the belt need to have the same amount of tension. The "tech" who tightened up my AC belt used some kind of prybar and probably pulled slightly towards the front, then locked down the tension nuts, pulling them out of line. The belt lasted 4 weeks. I caught it in time. One edge of the belt was almost worn thru.
    Ramon
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    Interesting symptoms. Throwing one belt + coolant leak sounds like M50 water pump failure. Grab the fan blade and check for play. The other belt drives the AC compressor. Both belts thrown suggests improper installation, wrong belts or crank pulley problem.

    Paul Shovestul
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    Default I agree with Paul except that one belt goes from the power steering to the

    alternator to the water pump on the m50tu, the other belt is for the compressor. Its very easy to lose one belt due to failed water pump bearing or a failed bearing on the pulley tensioner and then have that belt get entangled in the other belt and tear it up too...




    Quote Originally Posted by Bellicose Right Winger
    Interesting symptoms. Throwing one belt + coolant leak sounds like M50 water pump failure. Grab the fan blade and check for play. The other belt drives the AC compressor. Both belts thrown suggests improper installation, wrong belts or crank pulley problem.

    Paul Shovestul

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    Default Agree- sounds like water pump failure

    BTW, the ribbed belts on the M50 engine are automatically tensioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bellicose Right Winger
    Interesting symptoms. Throwing one belt + coolant leak sounds like M50 water pump failure. Grab the fan blade and check for play. The other belt drives the AC compressor. Both belts thrown suggests improper installation, wrong belts or crank pulley problem.

    Paul Shovestul
    Thanks,

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    there are 2 types of belts, my guess is that the wrong one was installed.
    1995 540iA M-Sport - 76k miles. 1 of 1 auto AW3 cars.
    1995 540i/6 - Misc Parts donor for above.

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    I had the same thing just happen. It boggled my mind for a little bit. I was driving to the store to pick up some oranges and dog food when I noticed the car nearing the red. I turned off of 9 and headed back home. About 1 mile away. When getting home I looked again and noticed my ABS light, parking light, and battery light were on also. I have no idea why the parking brake light is on but it is.

    Anyway I couldn't figure for the life of me why it's doing all of this. Upon 2nd inspection I notice my fan/alternator belt is broken. I call up and find a replacement from Advance. They quote the belt at being 40.5 inches where I measure mine at 40 inches. Is this going to be a problem? This 1/2 inch difference?

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    Don't know about the inches, but:

    On the 535 fan belt, the dealer will sell you a Conti 13x1040. You can try to pull it on; I couldn't pry it over the alternator (this is the way it's supposed to go on, and I couldn't do it even when the alt tensioner was as close to the engine block as it can get), gave up, and returned the part in favor of Advanced Autopart's "gatorback"-esque 13 x 1055. The manual lists a 1055 or 1060, I forget which... The 1065 that Autozone sells for the car is TOO BIG, won't tension properly, and will end up squealing.

    The 1055 has tensioned and worked fine for me. I would use anything between 1040 (if you can get it on) and 1055 on the car.

    You will want to replace the other two V belts while you're doing the fan belt. And if the belts were neglected to the point that they're snapping, I'd also check/do preventative maintenance on the cooling system. Definitely flush the coolant with BMW cool blue or any other phosphate-free coolant if it's been more than two years (or you have reason to believe it's been more than two years).

    Do a search on the board for the title "e34 hell" - I discussed getting the wrong belts/parts from these places in length on that thread.

    Don't run the car without the fan belt - it's a very bad bad idea.

    best, whit
    Last edited by Kalevera; 02-22-2005 at 06:07 PM.

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    I got the Dayco TopCog 13A1055. I'm guessing the size is 1055. I got it from Advance Autoparts for $15. I'm looking in the Bentley manual and it (as far as I know) doesn't show exactly how to replace this belt. Does it only go over the Alternater/fan pulley or are there others? How do I get it over the fan? Do I have to remove the fan to get it on? Do I need any special tools? I've only replaced one belt before and that was a simple, loosen tensioner/slip belt on, job on a 88 mustang. Can anyone point me in the direction for step by step to get it on? I can figure it out if someone tells me but I just don't know what to do with the fan. There's not as much room in the engine compartment as I'm use to with the mustangs puny 4 cyl engine

    I only ran the car not knowing the belt was broken. I honestly don't know how the battery lasted without the alternator. My alt died in my mustang and the battery was drained in no time.

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