Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345
Results 41 to 50 of 50

Thread: two ZF 4HP22 repairs

  1. #41
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,171

    Default

    Will do Rick...Kirt's initial response is one of taking exception to replacing the A-clutch without going through the trans. So I asked him the bottom line question...what constitutes a bonefide rebuild?...what parts does he "always" replace?...a general rule or more likely based on "specific condition of a particular trans core."
    Believe his response will be the latter...I am sure not unlike what Winfred does...he goes by what the failure mode is and how it looks when he tears into it.
    Kirt as a professional rebuilder may have a defined procedure for determining what parts need to be replaced as opposed to what parts are elective. Will let you know what he says...may be good supplemental info to Winfred's excellent link.
    George

  2. #42
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,171

    Default Rick...here is Kirt's very thorough response to my...

    need for detail
    I believe it is an excellent addition to Winfred's review and puts into perspective the judgement call made by an expert as to what needs to be replaced versus what doesn't when rebuilding one of these transmissions.
    George

    Kirt Koeller's words:
    I have to be honest in the fact I do not know what ZF does when it remanufactures a 4HP22 anymore. I have seen some 4HP22 with the ZF reman sticker and they were still installing the steel rings on the input shaft.

    Here is what I do everyday:
    Start with a core and do a visual inspection of the converter (gets replaced but might be a cause of a failure so you look at it) and the case itself. Now it gets completly torn down, valve body go to another table for later work. I now put on another table what I am going to replace on EVERY 4HP22 tranny. Starts with a paper and rubber kit (gaskets seals and o-rings) steel kit (which not only has steels but also the pressure plates) friction kit (steel and friction kits will differ between differant applications of the unit) and a solinoid kit (if electronic) and speed sensor. I get the case clean and dry and take a straight edge to check the case for warpage at the vavle body mating surface. Then I start with the pump, some need new pumps some don't judgement call here. All the rubber is replaced and a new bushing is installed most of the time another judgement call but most of the time it gets replaced (with a 4HP24 bushing it works better) Then I clean all the hard parts that are not clutch drums and use my judgement if I can reuse it or need new example is the planetary I usally reuse this as I never see them go bad unless they are in a Rover application. Look at all of the needle bearings sometimes they are fine and some need to be replaced. Then I move on to the clutch pack drums. This is where I take extra care making sure the drums themselves are in really good shape or I will get another one no real room for errors here. Replace all the frictions and steels and replace the pistons o-rings. Once all the drums are done you move on to the valve body at another bench. Same procedure here as with the tranny. Visual look, tear down, clean, inspect and reassemble put new solinoids on and a new speed sensor. Now you are ready to reassemble the whole unit. When done put reman converter in it and dyno it and send her to her new home. As you are aware there is a lot of grey area on what hard parts need to be replaced and that is where you seperate the men from the boys so-to-speak. I have been doing this for a while now and I have seen other peoples work from mom and pop places to the big reman places and seen good and bad from both. There is no real industry standard when it comes to what does make a reman unit vs. a rebuilt unit Too many grey areas to make a clear cut call on that. Remember that this is in no way a complete idea on what I do to every unit somethings are just to time consuming to go into and some are just my trade secrets I'd share them but you know I'd have to kill ya!(j/k) I know that what ever I do the tranny has to last for years to come so that is always in the back of my mind and I look at it as if it was my personal tranny. Kinda corny but thats how I feel. I will tell you this if a rebuild shop (or reman factory) tells you they replace everything with new they are lying through there teeth. I priced it on a 4hp22 with ALL new parts and it was a price that not many could afford (I belive it was 8 or 9K).

  3. #43
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    NSW, Australia
    Posts
    445

    Default

    Hi Winfred, I drive a 535is manual E34 1990, but because my wife does not want to drive manual I am now looking at selling it and buying an auto probably 1992-93. What I have been hearing about 4HP22EH's freaks me out! I could use some good advice.What should I do? Leister,Sydney OZ

  4. #44
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    baton rouge, loserana
    Posts
    6,891

    Default

    it's not a bad tranny as a matter of fact i am in care of 3 of them, one in my 535, one in moms turbo diesel volvo and one in her current daily driver a 90 325is, in general they perform well and last a good while, it's a plentiful tranny so most transmition shops should know their way around it, all bimmers from 84-90 a lot of 7 series volvos and peugot's and i am willing to bet several other euro market cars that are running around. a quick and dirty test is jack up the rear end and watch the rear wheels with the car idling in neutral and warmed up the wheels shouldn't turn, if they do then only just barly when revved lightly, it's ok if they spin when the car is warmed up like the car is in gear it's only a matter of time till it's needs a a-clutch rebuild like i described, this test is not guaranteed to sniff out a dieing tranny

    Quote Originally Posted by mamilapon
    Hi Winfred, I drive a 535is manual E34 1990, but because my wife does not want to drive manual I am now looking at selling it and buying an auto probably 1992-93. What I have been hearing about 4HP22EH's freaks me out! I could use some good advice.What should I do? Leister,Sydney OZ
    all america wants is cold beer warm cat and a place to take a poop with a door on it

  5. #45
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    NSW, Australia
    Posts
    445

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by winfred
    it's not a bad tranny as a matter of fact i am in care of 3 of them, one in my 535, one in moms turbo diesel volvo and one in her current daily driver a 90 325is, in general they perform well and last a good while, it's a plentiful tranny so most transmition shops should know their way around it, all bimmers from 84-90 a lot of 7 series volvos and peugot's and i am willing to bet several other euro market cars that are running around. a quick and dirty test is jack up the rear end and watch the rear wheels with the car idling in neutral and warmed up the wheels shouldn't turn, if they do then only just barly when revved lightly, it's ok if they spin when the car is warmed up like the car is in gear it's only a matter of time till it's needs a a-clutch rebuild like i described, this test is not guaranteed to sniff out a dieing tranny

  6. #46
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    NSW, Australia
    Posts
    445

    Default

    You mentioned Bimmers between '84-90, would a 535i 1992/93 model have the same problem?

  7. #47
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    baton rouge, loserana
    Posts
    6,891

    Default

    later 535s included, the c motor cars started using the gm (chevy) tranny, id be happyer with the 4hp22, less problems

    Quote Originally Posted by mamilapon
    You mentioned Bimmers between '84-90, would a 535i 1992/93 model have the same problem?
    all america wants is cold beer warm cat and a place to take a poop with a door on it

  8. #48
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    NSW, Australia
    Posts
    445

    Default

    Thanks mate, all the best from down under!!

  9. #49
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    1/2 Way tween Chicago & Milwaukee
    Posts
    844

    Default see also

    also see
    http://www.bimmer.info/~rickm/trannyrepairs.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by mamilapon
    Thanks mate, all the best from down under!!

    A Bimmer Nut for sure: '04 530im (current daily driver), '97 m3, '98 323is, '99 Z3, '01 740iL, '06 330cicm zhp, '02 R1150R, '69 r60, Owner/Operator of www.Bimmer.info and www.BimmerNut.com
    And I still maintain: '90 535im (sold to daughters best friend, one of my favorite bimmers), '92 525im (daughters other best friend now drives this one).

  10. #50
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Japan
    Posts
    9,051

    Default


Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345

Similar Threads

  1. 2 4HP22 repairs
    By shogun in forum 5 Series BMW
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-26-2010, 11:51 AM
  2. Picture of ODO before I do repairs
    By fujioko in forum 5 Series BMW
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 02-26-2007, 08:48 PM
  3. zf 4hp22 repairs!!
    By liquidtiger720 in forum 5 Series BMW
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-09-2005, 01:09 AM
  4. New to own car repairs
    By BigKriss in forum 5 Series BMW
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-31-2005, 05:39 PM
  5. Two ZF 4HP22 repairs (per Winfred)
    By rickm in forum Engine & Drivetrain
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-13-2004, 04:46 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •