0W-30, 0W-40, 15W-50......I'm lost

[Dick Schneiders]

This is nothing like Roadfly.

On Roadfly you would not be able to say "****" or "****", or even Dick.

Dick Schneiders

I'm having some really wicked flashbacks here. It's like 1999 and I just got my first 5 series. I'm on some forum that was called roadflea or some **** like that and all of these idiots kept arguing about **** that doesn't really matter when all I wanted to know was what oil to use while attempting my first oil change in the 540 and where to buy a Bentley. All these idiots kept calling each other names while not using any of their own names. Bill are you really only 25? With all the helpful free knowledge you give out, I thought you would be at least 30.

Somebody ban Rick and Cary from here cause like Regal said...

[632 Regal]

so then Dick you wouldnt even be able to sign your own posts?

LOL

Cary,
I didnt mean superior knowledge thats just what I typed at the time, I meant that you were very knowledgable on the oil subject and you may have gotten offended by Bill, which also is ok but it just sounded like you were hammering on peoples oppinions, which again is ok. Your knowledge on the subject is very much appreciated since I didnt follow much of it anyways.

what was I talking about anyways?

[Hector]

on some comments you made about Mark D on Roadfly, about him being helpful and being around to answer questions about his chip... In acknowlegding your comment by using your first name I got "Oops" as a substitute. That was a major turn off for me in that forum. Felt like I was in a 4th grade classroom...

This is nothing like Roadfly.

On Roadfly you would not be able to say "****" or "****", or even Dick.

Dick Schneiders

[Rick L]

Hey, I don't want to be banned! Where else am I going to get helpful knowledge about my precious Bimmer? I'm sure Cary’s intent was all-good as well and any additional knowledge are always helpful. Even my lousy two cents…

Somebody ban Rick and Cary from here cause like Regal said...

[632 Regal]

Lol

[billy in slo]

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." There is a picture of Mark Twain and a facsimile of his signature under it.

No mention of Sam Clemens, though.

PROVERBS 17:28
Even fools are thought to be wise when they keep silent; when they keep their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.

but there really is no need for such hostilities, is it any wonder why we will never have world peace (at least not in this world)?

[scott540]

I was talking about the real old days when it was bimmer.org. you could say **** **** Dick whatever and post porn all day. You could even buy fake xenon headlights from some guy named Jimmy who liked to race people and post the stories about about it and his Porsche and whose dad bought him super chargers and stuff for his E39 540 which was strange because he had everthing that DINAN ever made on that thing but he stil drove an automatic 540.

Rory was the first person on that board to ever help me. My heater core started leaking a week after I bought the thing used from a Buick dealer. The salesman was brand new and thought I was kiddong when I said it had six speed. They replaced it under the 30 day warranty. Man that sales manager was pissed at the new guy that sold it to us. "since when are we replacing BMW heater cores?" I been on these boards 5 years almost now. I can change oil now, i replaced a battery, I can use a clay bar and I broke a lug bolt last month and paid somebody to repair it. I'm just here for the entertainment and maybe learn a little. I'm goin to get another beer now. I'm don't have to work tomorrow. I'm going to try changing fuel filters- both of 'em! Learned that here too.

[DueyT]

*sniff.....sniff, sniff....sniff* ???

[Bill R.]

less than 3 remarks questioning his intelligence in a single post... If you
ask any of the others you'll find that i rarely use profanity, typically only if the situation suits..I found your post offensive enough that I thought that the use of the term rude **** was accurate.... In my little blue collar world of mechanics thats fairly mild. And no, I don't typically go around calling people names if i'm unhappy...I find other ways to resolve it with them.
25 I will gladly take as a compliment and with any luck I won't ever age beyond that point. And of course i have issues but you aren't one of them.
growing out of it? At this point I'll be growing into depends before I'll be growing out of it....

Bill, if you read the thread, you will notice that Rick came swaggering in and wished to pursue an arguement in a rather rude manner. His rudeness was met in kind by my response. Of course you chose to degrade if further by refering to me as a "****". I guess when your not happy, you go around calling people names. I hate to tell you, but your calling me a "****" does nothing but show that you have some issues. I would guess that you are about 25 and not really yet secure with who you are. Don't worry, some kids, some age, and you will grow out of it.

Addressing your comment about flash point here is some more language describing what the NOACK Volitility Test (ASTM-5800) is:

"Volatility is measured by the principal, European test called NOACK, is the amount of oil lost (the light molecules) over time at a given temperature and pressure. It has a direct impact on high temperature engine oil effectiveness -- especially on viscosity, emissions and oil consumption. Today's oils have a NOACK volatility limit of 22 percent. Volatility losses for the coming ILSAC GF-3 oils -- due on store shelves just after the turn of the century -- could quite possibly be limited to 15 percent for all grades.

When an oil suffers from high volatility, and the lighter molecules evaporate, the oil thickens gradually getting out of "spec" and adversely effecting the performance of the lubricant and placing the engine at risk."

If you read that carefully, you will see that it is what you just described as the reason that you look at flash points. Instead you should be looking at Noack Volitility. Flash points bear very little relationship to evaporative losses. They are used primarly for used oil analysis. Here is a link to an extended discription of flash point use: http://www.practicingoilanalysis.com...up=Maintenance

Cary

[Unregistered]

So does this mean that we are done with this (mild) flame fest?! Hopefully so. If I offended anyone, it was not my intention.

Bottom line, Rick L and I agree that for 99% of cases M1 0w-40 is a better oil for BMW apps than 15w-50, we arrive at our conclusion for different reasons.


Cary