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Thread: OT: Honda Civic 2006 model: trying to be BMWsque..

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    Default OT: Honda Civic 2006 model: trying to be BMWsque..

    Wife bought this new model today. Good value and pretty responsive for a 1.8 litre 4 banger. It has i-VTEC which is a simpler VANOS "clone". I took a flashlight and looked at the rear multi-link suspension geometry. Guess what ?.

    Looks almost like an E39 suspension, only that horizontal swing arm is smaller due to its lower weight. I suspect BMW could sue......

    Oh, the tail end looks like an E46 tail from the side view, though dead on, is typically Honda. The manual shifter is almost an E36M3 copy, nicely weighted and short enough within level of the centre arm rest. Easy shifting from the armrest for lazy people. I am impressed by the performance, it pulls well in all gears...

    Honda is ahead of BMW in the F1 so far....

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    Default Actually i would say that the vanos is a vtec clone since

    vtec has been in a production model since 1989. And the I-vtec is more like double vanos with even greater flexibility.


    Quote Originally Posted by emw525E34
    Wife bought this new model today. Good value and pretty responsive for a 1.8 litre 4 banger. It has i-VTEC which is a simpler VANOS "clone". I took a flashlight and looked at the rear multi-link suspension geometry. Guess what ?.

    Looks almost like an E39 suspension, only that horizontal swing arm is smaller due to its lower weight. I suspect BMW could sue......

    Oh, the tail end looks like an E46 tail from the side view, though dead on, is typically Honda. The manual shifter is almost an E36M3 copy, nicely weighted and short enough within level of the centre arm rest. Easy shifting from the armrest for lazy people. I am impressed by the performance, it pulls well in all gears...

    Honda is ahead of BMW in the F1 so far....


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    Honda's products stand on their own as superior machines and engineering marvels. I'm sure 0% of it is coppied from any BMW.

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    Default Bangle Butt is catching on!

    Take a look at any of the Japanese auto makers, they all have Bangled models.
    Bangled butted trunks, mongoloid lighting and bulbous lines.

    Toyota/Lexus has several

    Nissan/Infinity too

    and Honda as well.

    True the Japanese auto makers have stand alone models, but much of their work is truly derivative.


    Vee ave vays of dealing vid your kind...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg Bob
    Take a look at any of the Japanese auto makers, they all have Bangled models.
    Bangled butted trunks, mongoloid lighting and bulbous lines.

    Toyota/Lexus has several

    Nissan/Infinity too

    and Honda as well.

    True the Japanese auto makers have stand alone models, but much of their work is truly derivative.
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    Default There's a Benz that also looks like the TA

    and a new Lexus as well, hmm


    Vee ave vays of dealing vid your kind...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by emw525E34
    Looks almost like an E39 suspension, only that horizontal swing arm is smaller due to its lower weight. I suspect BMW could sue......
    BAHAHA, this is a joke right?

    Please don't tell me your BMW owner ego is in reality this big.
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    Honda has always had sophisticated suspensions. They also have some very top flight engineers on the payroll. they engineer every thing down to the last gram needed to make it function.

    Honda is the only manufacturer I have ever seen that has consistant material failure of parts due to being engineered down to maximum weight savings. I am talking about major components that actualy break, things like control arms, camshafts, their CV joints will often fail before the boot even rips. almost every honda over 100k mi I have ever seen had a broken spring.

    I have great respect for honda engineering, Some of the stuff is very impressive, but their constant attempts to reduce every thig down to the absolute minimun requirements to save weight (therefore increase economy) has in my mind, ruined every thing that could have been so good.

    Sorry if I offended any Honda cult members out there.

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