Has anyone converted to gas ?

[Zeuk in Oz]

Cooper24's post on smelling gas initially confused me and then led me to the realisation that I have not heard of anyone converting their car to gas. (LPG gas, not petrol gas.)

Is there anyone out there running their e34 on LPG gas ?

This is quite a common conversion here in Oz as until 2007, LPG gas does not have any excise on it so is about 35% of the cost of petrol (gas).

Don't fancy driving around with a big LPG gas tank in the boot myself but many do. They even have to have special red stickers on the number plates.

Is this a conversion that is done anywhere else in the world ?

[shogun]

LPG or alos conversion to reusable fuel oil, like rapesse oil.
www.e34.de has a lot of info on that. Maybe you first have to register there. Then type in the search (Suchen) Umbau LPG) and you find a lot. Here is a 540 conversion with a Prins VST with a lot of pictures.
http://forum.e34.de/thread.php?threa...ight=Umbau+LPG
Price for a good Prins is about 2.500 EURO including the special tank.

Links to LPG boards in Germany
http://www.autogas-forum.de/links/linkliste.htm

In Poland and the Netherlands that is very normal that they convert to such alternative solutions like eco gas.
English info
http://de.search.yahoo.com/search?p=...rt&meta=0&vm=r

Here in Tokyo all taxi cabs are running on LPG.

[AllGo'n'Show]

Whats LPG?

[Zeuk in Oz]

Whats LPG?

Liquid petroleum gas.

[Zeuk in Oz]

LPG or alos conversion to reusable fuel oil, like rapesse oil.
www.e34.de has a lot of info on that. Maybe you first have to register there. Then type in the search (Suchen) Umbau LPG) and you find a lot. Here is a 540 conversion with a Prins VST with a lot of pictures.
http://forum.e34.de/thread.php?threa...ight=Umbau+LPG
Price for a good Prins is about 2.500 EURO including the special tank.

Links to LPG boards in Germany
http://www.autogas-forum.de/links/linkliste.htm

In Poland and the Netherlands that is very normal that they convert to such alternative solutions like eco gas.
English info
http://de.search.yahoo.com/search?p=...rt&meta=0&vm=r

Here in Tokyo all taxi cabs are running on LPG.

Thanks Erich.

You are such an amazing source of information !

[shogun]

I presently follow up all postings on a guy in Germany with an 7 series E65 Diesel.
He bought a large tank, buys oil at the oil mill directly which processes sunflower oil and rapeseed oil.
It started that he was upset with taxes on diesel oil. Then he went into a supermarket and bought some cases oil frying oil and filled his tank.
Car is running since more than 1 year without any problems.
He is not the only one doing that.

In trucks and large building oil heater boilers usually a lot of cleaned frying oil from big ready made food factories is used. Nice burning.
Bio diesel plant business is booming in Europe. Re-usable materials are subsidized a lot.
I know of a farmer here in Japan and some in Eurpe, they collect the gas from the cow and pigs sh*t, and they use the gas building up in the tanks to heat the complete house, the hot water system and he runs his car with that gas.
In Brazil they use socalled Gasohol since more than 30 years. Normal fuel is mixed with alcohol from sugar cane plantations.
Simple fermentation process.

[Zeuk in Oz]

I presently follow up all postings on a guy in Germany with an 7 series E65 Diesel.
He bought a large tank, buys oil at the oil mill directly which processes sunflower oil and rapeseed oil.
It started that he was upset with taxes on diesel oil. Then he went into a supermarket and bought some cases oil frying oil and filled his tank.
Car is running since more than 1 year without any problems.
He is not the only one doing that.

In trucks and large building oil heater boilers usually a lot of cleaned frying oil from big ready made food factories is used. Nice burning.
Bio diesel plant business is booming in Europe. Re-usable materials are subsidized a lot.
I know of a farmer here in Japan and some in Eurpe, they collect the gas from the cow and pigs sh*t, and they use the gas building up in the tanks to heat the complete house, the hot water system and he runs his car with that gas.
In Brazil they use socalled Gasohol since more than 30 years. Normal fuel is mixed with alcohol from sugar cane plantations.
Simple fermentation process.

There are a number of vehicles in Oz running on what is basically filtered cooking oil from take-away shops - very economical.

Our sugar cane industry is on its knees but the federal government appears very reluctant to mandate the use of ethanol.

This is quite unbelievable as it would save on fossil fuels, save our sugar industry and save motorists money, all at the same time.

Methinks some of the larger corporations with vested interests might have got into their ears. ! (Shock horror - how cynical)

[shogun]

Forgot one thing: CNG=compressed natural gas is that called what I described.
That is also booming, mainly in the Netherlands as they have a lot of that.
German makers are offering new cars modified for CNG and both CNG and normal fuel.
Here is the list of cars.
http://www.erdgasfahrzeuge.de/appFrameset.html

Here info from Canadian reusable fuel association
http://www.greenfuels.org/

Catch words:
Breaking the Crude Monopoly
Today ethanol production costs are lower than crude oil.
Shortage of Refineries Increases Gasoline Prices
Ethanol Increases our Refining Capacity
We need a federal strategy

[mattyb]

i was just thinking the same thing the other day.

[skr]

lpg has got a lot of downsides:
-piston rings wear faster due do running dry. normal gas reduces friction
-you loose 15-25% power
-you carry a big ugly tank in your trunk
-you probably have to cut a hole in your bumper for the fill plug

there probably are more but those are the most essential. i ran lpg on a renault 19 but that was a realy shitty car so i didn't care too much. took it off in half an year, sold it to a taxy driver and then sold the car.
i whould never consider running lpg on a bmw. i'd rather not drive it, fill it up once a month with normal gas and enjoy the ride.