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Thread: 90' 735i TRANS PROGRAM issue

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    Default 90' 735i TRANS PROGRAM issue

    I could use some help. I own a 1990 735i BMW which was running fine since
    I bought it 7 months ago. I was driving along at about 60 MPH and had
    noticed my "E" / "M" light out on the dash; so I put the car in neutral
    and then back into gear to see if it was just a contact issue. When I put
    the car back in gear, it reved up as if I wasn't applying enough gas for
    the current speed. My dash indicators now appeared.

    I drove on another 30+ miles to work with no problems; then drove back
    home (40 miles) without and problems either. The next day on my way home I
    accelerated from a stop light and realized that the car was reving higher
    than normal (it should have shifted at about 1500 but didn't). The RPM's
    rose to about 2400 and then "TRANS PROGRAM" and "Clunk". I was in what I
    no know to be called limp mode.

    I try to do all my own electrical work after serving in the US Navy as an ectronics technician for over 10 years. I have been trying to figure this out but nothing conclusive yet. Here is what I have gone through:

    1. Pulling over and turning the car off then right back on often makes the
    problem go away ; smooth shifting and no Trans program light.

    2. My alternator is putting out 13.20 - 13.77v (I thought that this was
    erratic and low so I replaced the voltage regulator) Voltage regulator now
    put out 13.85 13.95v - (it's the lower voltage when reving the engine ??)
    I checked the voltage output with the battery disconnected and it made no
    difference. *From what I have read, 13.8 - 14.2 is the ideal range.
    **I had the battery load tested today and it checked good along with the charging rate.

    3. Before the car revs up to 2400 RPM in 1st gear, if I switch to "M" mode
    I can prevent the car from jumping into TRAN PROGRAM mode.

    *I have don electrical troubleshooting on the MAF and Throttle
    position I cleaned the MAF and now both of these electrical outputs cheked good. In fact, the car even runs smoother now (well, if I make it beyond the TRANS PROG issues)

    - I have not experienced any reverse problems.


    Any advice is appreciated in advance.


    Thanks,

    Theó

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    Default Moving on to cleaning all relays, connectors and fuses..

    under the hood.

    My next step before monday when Theo meets the stealer Part I begins, I plan to test the voltage coming from the transmission speed sensor to the transmission control unit.

    ...

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    clean the switch first
    http://www.nmia.com/~dgnrg/page_13.htm

    Also have a look at my website below, wiring diagrams are online.

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    Default In addition to cleaning the shifter switch contacts, remove the transmission control

    unit and open it up, you'll see a relay in the middle of the circuit board, odds are good that the solder joints for that relay are cracked, check and resolder any questionable joints you find on the board, I touched up a number of them on mine, end of transprogram problem for my car.





    Quote Originally Posted by OneWire
    I could use some help. I own a 1990 735i BMW which was running fine since
    I bought it 7 months ago. I was driving along at about 60 MPH and had
    noticed my "E" / "M" light out on the dash; so I put the car in neutral
    and then back into gear to see if it was just a contact issue. When I put
    the car back in gear, it reved up as if I wasn't applying enough gas for
    the current speed. My dash indicators now appeared.

    I drove on another 30+ miles to work with no problems; then drove back
    home (40 miles) without and problems either. The next day on my way home I
    accelerated from a stop light and realized that the car was reving higher
    than normal (it should have shifted at about 1500 but didn't). The RPM's
    rose to about 2400 and then "TRANS PROGRAM" and "Clunk". I was in what I
    no know to be called limp mode.

    I try to do all my own electrical work after serving in the US Navy as an ectronics technician for over 10 years. I have been trying to figure this out but nothing conclusive yet. Here is what I have gone through:

    1. Pulling over and turning the car off then right back on often makes the
    problem go away ; smooth shifting and no Trans program light.

    2. My alternator is putting out 13.20 - 13.77v (I thought that this was
    erratic and low so I replaced the voltage regulator) Voltage regulator now
    put out 13.85 13.95v - (it's the lower voltage when reving the engine ??)
    I checked the voltage output with the battery disconnected and it made no
    difference. *From what I have read, 13.8 - 14.2 is the ideal range.
    **I had the battery load tested today and it checked good along with the charging rate.

    3. Before the car revs up to 2400 RPM in 1st gear, if I switch to "M" mode
    I can prevent the car from jumping into TRAN PROGRAM mode.

    *I have don electrical troubleshooting on the MAF and Throttle
    position I cleaned the MAF and now both of these electrical outputs cheked good. In fact, the car even runs smoother now (well, if I make it beyond the TRANS PROG issues)

    - I have not experienced any reverse problems.


    Any advice is appreciated in advance.


    Thanks,

    Theó

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    Thanks Bill..

    My cleaning had no effect on the problem and today, my luck ran out on simply shutting off the engine and restarting.

    I'll try that immediately.

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    Default Already Cleaned Transmission Switches

    I have cleaned both the A/M program switch and the range switch.

    Range switch - was very dirty, but now is very clean!
    Program switch - sealed and not dirty at all, but I still opened it up and gave it a blow out with some compressed air.


    Thanks Shogun, it's a pleasure to hear from you.

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    I re-flowed the solder joints which you indicated as well as re-flowwing any other cold solder joints found in either the electronic transmission conrtol unit or the motronic unit.

    - unfortunately there was no improvement in transmission behaivior.

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    Default Problem Identified, but Still Need Help!!!!

    **The notorious transmission SPEED SENSOR

    (details) - I decided that I needed to do some hands-on electrical troubleshooting, starting with the wiring to and from the transmission control unit. After performing resistance tests of all the connector pins referenced on the wiring diagram, I discovered that speed sensor coil was reading 3.5 Mega-ohms as opposed to 800-1.6 k ohms.

    I raised the car, and did a continuity test between the following pins:

    TCU connector pin #27 ------> Transmission conector cable Pin #3
    TCU connector pin # 8 ------> Transmission connector cable Pin #4

    *I only did this in hopes of discovering a broken wire... instead of the appearent failed part.

    Next I checked the resistance at the actual pins on the connector which tie directly to the speed sensor: (pin #3 & pin #4). I got the same bad reading 3.5M ohms.


    So, now I have two questions which require some transmission experience:

    1. Is there a remote chance that the speed sensor wiring within the transmission is simply broken?

    2. Should I be able to just drop the transmission oil pan, see the speed sensor and remove and replace it with minimal effort?

    My transmission is a 4-HP-22 .

    ***I have seen some exploded view illustrations of the tranny.
    ASSUMPTION: It looks like the speed sensor and the solenoid valves are accessable once the pan has been removed.

    All advice is welcome

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    Default Found The Speed Sensor (Pulse Generator)

    I located the part which I need:

    Item #04 PULSE GENERATOR 1 24341218551 $26.74
    reference link: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...51&hg=24&fg=15

    I bought it from my local Bellevue, Washington $tealer for $34.49 + tax.

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    Default Test Ride in T-60 seconds.

    Fingers crossed....

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